I admit I am nonplussed by this

[Scribbly]

Last figures I heard were 20% of economically active people between 16 and 24 are unemployed- in the FT on the 18th.

But the most disturbing figures — again — concern youth unemployment. One in five (20.2 per cent) of economically active 16 to 24 year olds are unemployed. As usual the government pointed out that this number includes students who are looking for work. Chris Grayling, the UK employment minister, said the real number was "much lower".

We're not sure what "much lower" officially means but once you strip out the students, the youth unemployment rate is still 18.8 per cent, up 0.5 per cent from the three months to March.

[Cain]

Yeah, that's the figure I've heard as well.

It's been there since about December 2008, also, give or take a few better and worse months.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

All the above speculations sounds good to me, but I'd bet money that we see that old festering corpse called,

"Why do those darn waitresses get Minimum Wage AND tips!!!! It's like paying them twice!"

OR, how about,

"We should allow hiring of teenagers and those working the first 90 days at under the minimum wage! It'll allow businesses to 'create jobs'!"


I think the latter more likely, considering the "hidden jobs" rhetoric.

Where are you, the Promised Land? Waitresses get a reduced wage with tips counted in so it all adds up to minimum wage.

[Adios]

All the above speculations sounds good to me, but I'd bet money that we see that old festering corpse called,

"Why do those darn waitresses get Minimum Wage AND tips!!!! It's like paying them twice!"

OR, how about,

"We should allow hiring of teenagers and those working the first 90 days at under the minimum wage! It'll allow businesses to 'create jobs'!"


I think the latter more likely, considering the "hidden jobs" rhetoric.

Where are you, the Promised Land? Waitresses get a reduced wage with tips counted in so it all adds up to minimum wage.

Around here servers get around $2.50 to $3.00 an hour plus tips.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sounds about right.

A person would make more money scrubbing toilets at McDonalds.

[Adios]

Sounds about right.

A person would make more money scrubbing toilets at McDonalds.

Depends on where they work and how good they are. A good server in the right restaurant can knock down some serious money every night.

Hell, even in my bar in Colorado my top server averaged $100.00 every day plus her salary.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

All the above speculations sounds good to me, but I'd bet money that we see that old festering corpse called,

"Why do those darn waitresses get Minimum Wage AND tips!!!! It's like paying them twice!"

OR, how about,

"We should allow hiring of teenagers and those working the first 90 days at under the minimum wage! It'll allow businesses to 'create jobs'!"


I think the latter more likely, considering the "hidden jobs" rhetoric.

Where are you, the Promised Land? Waitresses get a reduced wage with tips counted in so it all adds up to minimum wage.

Yeah, he's in Oregon where waitstaff make minimum wage plus tips. It's not easy to get a waiting job here; you can bring home $300-400 in tips on a Friday or Saturday if you work at a decent restaurant. Bartending is even better, because the convention is to tip a dollar a drink.

[Jenne]

CA is the same way...you can still make a living wage here as a server.  I don't recommend it, but there's a reason why it's the Hollywood fall-back position for those seeking fame and fortune out here.

[BabylonHoruv]

The days where you can just walk up to a counter and say, "I'm looking for work, can I interview for a position?" are long gone.

Somewhat ironically, this is precisely what I used to do in order to get jobs.  And it worked like a charm, right up to the end of 2007.

The maths in the UK is simple.  We have, going by the figures, 600,000 jobs going, and 2.79 million unemployed.  Some poor fuckers are going to be going without.  Probably those in the north, since most jobs are around London, and probably either the 18-24 age range or those nearing 60.

The irony is, I remember learning in history how we moralized joblessness during the Victorian era.  Fucking awfully, that's how.  Eventually, so many voters were lost to the newly emerging Labour Party that the ruling Liberals oversaw a massive overhaul of benefits, leading to national state pensions in the UK and a raft of other legislation to update the hopeless and antiquated "Poor Law" system.

Of course, even that late in the game, 1909, the majority report of the commission looking into the Poor Laws stated that "the origins of poverty were moral factors".  Ah, but we've come on such a long way in 102 years! 

Yep, the rich are greedy, amoral fucks.

I know that's not the real root of the problem, but it's my automatic kneejerk response to "poverty is due to immorality"

[LMNO]

[Kai]

The days where you can just walk up to a counter and say, "I'm looking for work, can I interview for a position?" are long gone.

Somewhat ironically, this is precisely what I used to do in order to get jobs.  And it worked like a charm, right up to the end of 2007.

The maths in the UK is simple.  We have, going by the figures, 600,000 jobs going, and 2.79 million unemployed.  Some poor fuckers are going to be going without.  Probably those in the north, since most jobs are around London, and probably either the 18-24 age range or those nearing 60.

The irony is, I remember learning in history how we moralized joblessness during the Victorian era.  Fucking awfully, that's how.  Eventually, so many voters were lost to the newly emerging Labour Party that the ruling Liberals oversaw a massive overhaul of benefits, leading to national state pensions in the UK and a raft of other legislation to update the hopeless and antiquated "Poor Law" system.

Of course, even that late in the game, 1909, the majority report of the commission looking into the Poor Laws stated that "the origins of poverty were moral factors".  Ah, but we've come on such a long way in 102 years! 

The poor used to be unfortunates, i.e. those laden with misfortune, and they were to be pitied and aided, not scorned. Now everyone is at fault for the misfortune that befalls them, except those with lots of money. What a change.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The days where you can just walk up to a counter and say, "I'm looking for work, can I interview for a position?" are long gone.

Somewhat ironically, this is precisely what I used to do in order to get jobs.  And it worked like a charm, right up to the end of 2007.

The maths in the UK is simple.  We have, going by the figures, 600,000 jobs going, and 2.79 million unemployed.  Some poor fuckers are going to be going without.  Probably those in the north, since most jobs are around London, and probably either the 18-24 age range or those nearing 60.

The irony is, I remember learning in history how we moralized joblessness during the Victorian era.  Fucking awfully, that's how.  Eventually, so many voters were lost to the newly emerging Labour Party that the ruling Liberals oversaw a massive overhaul of benefits, leading to national state pensions in the UK and a raft of other legislation to update the hopeless and antiquated "Poor Law" system.

Of course, even that late in the game, 1909, the majority report of the commission looking into the Poor Laws stated that "the origins of poverty were moral factors".  Ah, but we've come on such a long way in 102 years! 

The poor used to be unfortunates, i.e. those laden with misfortune, and they were to be pitied and aided, not scorned. Now everyone is at fault for the misfortune that befalls them, except those with lots of money. What a change.

(Overheard near a homeless shelter) "They like living like that."

(Ovenheard near a neglected and crumbling school in the hood) "You try to give them something nice and they don't take care of it."

Was told this by a teacher in thord grade: "If you took all the money in the world and divided it evenly between everybody, things would go right back to the way they are because the rich save their money and the poor waste theirs."

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Psychologists call this the "just-world theory," which seems to explain all sorts of blaming the victim.

I'm not sure what the antidote is, but I think it likely consists of applied Horrorology.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Psychologists call this the "just-world theory," which seems to explain all sorts of blaming the victim.

Yeah, I think it's related to Calvinism too. Teh Elect and all that shit.

I'm not sure what the antidote is, but I think it likely consists of applied Horrorology.

Might be fun to apply it whether it ends up working or not.