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Started by rong, September 16, 2011, 10:30:15 PM

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How they do it is they take whatever the average score is, and assign that a value of 100 points.  Then they take whatever the standard deviation is, and assign that a value of 15 points.  So if there's 100 questions on the test, the average score was 70, and the standard deviation was 5, then if you got 80 questions right your IQ would be 130.
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Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 12:37:36 AM
The test is designed so that the average score is 100. I think youre going to have to clarify more rong.

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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2011, 12:45:43 AM
How they do it is they take whatever the average score is, and assign that a value of 100 points.  Then they take whatever the standard deviation is, and assign that a value of 15 points.  So if there's 100 questions on the test, the average score was 70, and the standard deviation was 5, then if you got 80 questions right your IQ would be 130.
Ah, right. I remember reading an article about the trend of increasingly higher scores on IQ tests. Right, that's what it was.

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Picture this:
I am expert

Average is 100

You are number
I am expert

Please understand
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Quote from: rong on September 17, 2011, 12:53:41 AM
Picture this:
I am expert

Average is 100

You are number
I am expert

Please understand

Ok. How about this, you mentioned that either you're stupid or everyone else is. What sparked that thought and caused you to post the OP? That might help me figure out what you're talking about.
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I can think of a way it may be possible to game the IQ tests.  They have multiple tests and the scores are computed per test, so if you could somehow arrange it so that you take the same test as a bunch of people who would do worse on the test than you, or arrange it so that your mark takes the same test as a bunch of people who would do better on the test than him, you might see some skewed results.  I have no idea if that could actually be pulled off, though.

@Alty, yeah, IQ only measures a certain aspect of intelligence, the kind most closely related to school performance.
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I think he means that everyone taking making and/or judging IQ tests is working together to make every individual feel either stupider or smarter than they are with some specific goal in mind, like putting the stupid people in charge of decision making and destroying the selfesteem of those smart enough to actually make the world a better place.
I think rong stopped taking his anti-paranoia medication.

This theory of his (or mine if i was wrong about what he meant) requires a level of coordination and planning and secrecy that makes it highly unlikely, especially when compared with my nul hypothesis: nobody knows what they are doing and the only driving forces behind the state of the world are incompetence, stupidity and shortsightedness. Every single good thing that has happened ever was either someone accidentally doing something right and retrospectively convincing themselves that they meant to do that all along, was a bad idea from the beginning but surprisingly came out good, or has caused more harm in the long run than it ever did good.

There is more to success than having a high IQ; being smarter than others merely sets you up so that you will never have to learn discipline, try hard or develop a good work-ethic.
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Quote from: rong on September 17, 2011, 01:29:15 AM
Thanks for listening,regret. I will reread when I sober up

That explains it. It's all good, but it's kinda hard to decipher what you were getting at. It seemed like you were being indirect at whatever you were intending to express.
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Quote from: rong on September 17, 2011, 01:12:35 AM
Oh Nevermind

I was initially mad about this, but, not sober as you said, so I've taken that into consideration.

What I was going to say, now in new diplomatic format, is:
Hey dude, I'm just trying to figure out specifically what you're thinking so I can give a response that is conducive to this conversation.
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2011, 01:15:19 AM
I can think of a way it may be possible to game the IQ tests.  They have multiple tests and the scores are computed per test, so if you could somehow arrange it so that you take the same test as a bunch of people who would do worse on the test than you, or arrange it so that your mark takes the same test as a bunch of people who would do better on the test than him, you might see some skewed results.  I have no idea if that could actually be pulled off, though.

@Alty, yeah, IQ only measures a certain aspect of intelligence, the kind most closely related to school performance.

Specifically, it measures pattern recognition, a key element in puzzle-solving and certain types of critical/comparative analysis.
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Quote from: Nigel on September 17, 2011, 02:30:25 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2011, 01:15:19 AM
I can think of a way it may be possible to game the IQ tests.  They have multiple tests and the scores are computed per test, so if you could somehow arrange it so that you take the same test as a bunch of people who would do worse on the test than you, or arrange it so that your mark takes the same test as a bunch of people who would do better on the test than him, you might see some skewed results.  I have no idea if that could actually be pulled off, though.

@Alty, yeah, IQ only measures a certain aspect of intelligence, the kind most closely related to school performance.

Specifically, it measures pattern recognition, a key element in puzzle-solving and certain types of critical/comparative analysis.

And the more often you see a particular pattern, the better you are at recognizing it. The more IQ tests you take within a certain period of time, the more your score goes up.
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Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 12:09:44 AM
Exactly. Iq test results have to be recalibrated every some odd years because the new average will increase compared to the old one. But the test's average must always be 100. Get stephen hawking to build you a time machine go back 50 years get scored as a genius. :p

I heard this doesn't happen as often as you'd think it should, hence the increasing trend--as long as education gets better.

Either way, before anyone can say something sensible about "it's calibrated so the average is 100", you really need to find out the average of WHAT. It could be 10 years ago.

In fact, I suppose there is a stronger urge to recalibrate when the scores have gone down than when they go up. So that's a bias for higher numbers right there.



It's well-known that you can simply train for IQ tests. Just do a couple of online ones and you're going to score higher already.

Similarly as to how you can (and should) train for aptitude tests when applying for certain kinds of jobs.
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Quote from: Triple Zero on September 17, 2011, 03:21:40 AM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 12:09:44 AM
Exactly. Iq test results have to be recalibrated every some odd years because the new average will increase compared to the old one. But the test's average must always be 100. Get stephen hawking to build you a time machine go back 50 years get scored as a genius. :p

I heard this doesn't happen as often as you'd think it should, hence the increasing trend--as long as education gets better.

That's why I said "some odd." I didn't want to give a fixed amount of time, since progress and regress in thinking ability isn't a constant.

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Either way, before anyone can say something sensible about "it's calibrated so the average is 100", you really need to find out the average of WHAT. It could be 10 years ago.

In fact, I suppose there is a stronger urge to recalibrate when the scores have gone down than when they go up. So that's a bias for higher numbers right there.

The average is constant. 100 is chosen because it essentally means "one" as in 100/100. There is no urge to recalibrate unless the average score changes. Like I said before, it's a measure of intellectual age vs. physical age. Your average person should be at 100% but there will be outliers. There will be people who fall in the 137% range and others who fall in the 58% range.

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It's well-known that you can simply train for IQ tests. Just do a couple of online ones and you're going to score higher already.

Similarly as to how you can (and should) train for aptitude tests when applying for certain kinds of jobs.

I agree with this statement. you can't really test for how smart someone is. Sometimes you just know. And I have no problem with saying "this dude/chick is smarter than me." I think that is a healthy reaction, unless they are really good bullshit artists.

I'm reminded of the SATs actually. I scored a 1300 even. Not bad. Not genius. The only thing that was good for was a sliding scale: "ok, this guy hates homework. But he understands his native language and mathematics to this degree. What colleges is he elligible for?" Also note, that in my day, top score for SAT was 1600. Now, with my youngest sister's generation (I was born in 1981, she in 1996), it is 2400, or someting like that. They test for scientific rational ability now. Which offers me hope. Because any motherfucker can be a well spoken tool who can add and subtract.
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