OMG IM SO SORRY!

[trix]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.


"Hey trix, you are middle class"
"you don't know me, what a stupid thing to say"
"you are middle class, which somehow renders your opinion irrelevant"
"actually I'm not, and if I was, it still wouldn't.  This conversation is stupid."
"oh bullshit I bet you live in a house in the burbs"
"i could say anything, it's the internet, you wouldn't know its true"
"you just don't want to admit you are middle class"
"*sigh* look at my previous posts where I said this and that, evidence I am not full of shit"
"OH LOOK NOW HES WHINING!  FUCKIN WHINER!  THERE ARE STARVING PEOPLE IN AFRICA YOU WHINY FUCKER!  I WAS IN DA WAR!  I WALKED UPHILL IN 6 FEET OF SNOW BAREFOOT TO GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL!!1!!"


I too can recognize patterns.

[Freeky]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.

Of course its everybody else.  Couldn't be any other reason, nope, none at all.

[Phox]

We should translate street into Brit.

Sir, why must you treat a chap in such a fashion? It would be ever so dreadful should I be forced to fire a cartridge into your posterior.

Phox,
Misses the point, sometimes...

[The Rev]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.


"Hey trix, you are middle class"
"you don't know me, what a stupid thing to say"
"you are middle class, which somehow renders your opinion irrelevant"
"actually I'm not, and if I was, it still wouldn't.  This conversation is stupid."
"oh bullshit I bet you live in a house in the burbs"
"i could say anything, it's the internet, you wouldn't know its true"
"you just don't want to admit you are middle class"
"*sigh* look at my previous posts where I said this and that, evidence I am not full of shit"
"OH LOOK NOW HES WHINING!  FUCKIN WHINER!  THERE ARE STARVING PEOPLE IN AFRICA YOU WHINY FUCKER!  I WAS IN DA WAR!  I WALKED UPHILL IN 6 FEET OF SNOW BAREFOOT TO GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL!!1!!"


I too can recognize patterns.

HEY DOK, CAN WE KEEP IT?

[trix]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.

Of course its everybody else.  Couldn't be any other reason, nope, none at all.

I postulated another reason.  Trolling.

Except you, I do believe you personally are that stupid.

[Freeky]

Ugh, you don't know where that thing's been, Rev.  Except maybe in middle-classland.  Throw it away!

[Freeky]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.

Of course its everybody else.  Couldn't be any other reason, nope, none at all.

I postulated another reason.  Trolling.

Except you, I do believe you personally are that stupid.

You're so funny, witty, and charming! I wish you'd stay forever.

[The Rev]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.

Of course its everybody else.  Couldn't be any other reason, nope, none at all.

I postulated another reason.  Trolling.

Except you, I do believe you personally are that stupid.

Oh, this could get really good now.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Oh please, let me have it. We can show him what a really good time is in the city.  In the ghetto.  With the crack dealers and meth heads.

I promise to return it.

[trix]

Ugh, you don't know where that thing's been, Rev.  Except maybe in middle-classland.  Throw it away!

Freeky, all joking and trolling aside, you are my hero.

[The Rev]

Oh please, let me have it. We can show him what a really good time is in the city.  In the ghetto.  With the crack dealers and meth heads.

I promise to return it.

[trix]

Oh please, let me have it. We can show him what a really good time is in the city.  In the ghetto.  With the crack dealers and meth heads.

I promise to return it.

You stay the hell away from me.  You scare me.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Oh please, let me have it. We can show him what a really good time is in the city.  In the ghetto.  With the crack dealers and meth heads.

I promise to return it.

You stay the hell away from me.  You scare me.

I am truly and deeply hurt. 



I said I would return you, damn.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

...
I guess it all depends on what you're comparing it to.

That's the crux of it right there.
it's all relative.  same as how you can ask just about anybody if they're 'rich', and the answer will almost certainly be no, regardless of their income or accumulated wealth.  people look up when they think of economic status.  that's where their desires lay, that's what they envy, that's what they want to see.
"sure, there's folks that have less than I, but i'm certainly not rich.  That guy over there is rich. he makes twice as much as me.  if i had that, i'd be rich and happy."  (of course that guy is thinking the same thing)

Having been poor as fuck, when my ex and I were making six figures each I told the kids "we are rich." I didn't want them to harbor any illusions that that was how most people live. Even right now, we're broke, but we're not poor; so I made 13k in taxable income last year, but I'm getting child support and sitting on about 100k in equity, which means a small measure of security. Of course, it also means that unless things improve radically I'm exactly two years of recession from losing everything.

Being middle-class doesn't undermine anyone's credibility, but when people who have never actually experienced poverty declare that they came from a "poor" background... not "working class", not "middle class", but "poor"... they undermine their credibility and they certainly undermine my perception of their intelligence. Because it happens so very frequently, it's difficult to automatically accept that claim at face value. Sure, Trix MIGHT have grown up below the poverty line. I'm just skeptical. I'm betting that his family had a modest house in a working-class subdivision, at worst.

I've never lived in a house, or a subdivision.  You can bet whatever you want.  I'd elaborate, but without a way for you to verify anything I say, the entire discussion is rather pointless.  Which has been what I've been trying to get across from the beginning of the "middle class" discussion.  I could type three pages of whiny tripe about finishing people's meals at McD's or hanging out at Duncan Donuts when they close for the free perfectly good donuts they'd throw away, but I could as easily be making it up as telling the truth.  So I didn't bother.  You can choose to take me at my word that I know what being truly poor is like, or you can not.

If it really matters to you though, I have left plenty of hints in past threads.  About how everything I owned was in my van because I was "in between places to live" (AKA living in the van) and some fucker stole most of what I owned of value out of it.  Or the thread where I compared Discordia to the "big d20 of life" and mentioned my prison stretch and felony, mentioned the period of homelessness and staying with a friend in his apartment.  Of course, I could have been planning for this discussion to take place since I got here.  

Actually, I don't need to "verify" anything. If you said "My family was under the poverty line while I was growing up", I'd take your word for it. Or "Me and my mom lived in a car for three years when I was a kid". Or "My dad always seemed to be working but we were on food stamps". You know... not "after I moved out I lived in a van".

Family of origin stuff makes a huge difference. Maybe you really did grow up impoverished in your family of origin, but if you did I would kind of expect a little more gratitude for the circumstances that led you to be in Uni right now, rather than the entitlement you're displaying.

[Freeky]

You guys have to be trolling.  I refuse to believe that everyone in the thread is really this stupid.

Of course its everybody else.  Couldn't be any other reason, nope, none at all.

I postulated another reason.  Trolling.

Except you, I do believe you personally are that stupid.

Oh, this could get really good now.

Not really.  He's trying to get a rise out of me, which I just laughed at, because it was so heavy-handed and ridiculous.  Even if he believes that, he's too unimportant to correct, and I can just have fun with making fun of his entitled white male middle class persecution complex thing he's got going on.