The sorry state of 'murrican education.

[Cain]

Depending on where Dil is, he may have had a point, six or seven years ago.  Parts of up north did have atrocious teen pregnancy rates (worst in Europe) and employment rates (at a time when you could walk into a factory or shop and get a job in the same day).

However, that also fails to take into account how industry was utterly destroyed up north, creating a climate where getting jobs was impossible, so even when things did improve, people didn't believe it and continued on as they had before.  That's another one we can blame Thatcher for.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Now, now, Cain.  We all know that unemployed people are all lazy, and that there's jobs just dangling from the low branches.

I was talking to my friend Annie just Sunday about her job search. See, after Annie got out of the Navy (with decorations, no less), she got a GIS degree and then moved to Portland, where she was, after a bit of a search, able to land a seasonal job at Target. "Great!" thought Annie. "This gives me a couple of months to find a job in my field".

The seasonal job ended and, 300 applications and one year later, Annie found a temp job on a road crew in Gresham.

Lucky, lucky Annie!

But wait, it gets better. See, Annie is the little sister of my friend The Enucleator. The Enucleator is in charge of the tissue collection at the eye bank. Recently, she has noticed a disturbing trend; she's been receiving a lot of resumes from people who are grotesquely overqualified for the job. People who are more qualified than she is, such as actual surgeons. Surgeons who have been looking for work for months on end.

Look at all those lazy, unmotivated, unskilled unemployed!

Oh wait.

[Drunken Monkey Cabal]

actually Cain was back home in Essex, so near enough, but just slightly warmer.

I think my point was that people who fail to have any aspirations who then raise children to have no aspirations are a underlying big problem in the education system. They are unwilling to work for anything, as they have nothing to work for.

so they don't want to work hard, cannot see the end benefits, so I found they were the majority of the idiots who fucked around in the classes.

So since they have no respect for education, they have no respect for the teachers. and they sure as hell do not fear teachers, making 75% of the teaching I saw crowd control methods.

Not excusing poor teaching standards or lack of funds, but I don't think teaching apathetic children, who apathy for education is reinforced by the no aspiration parents is a new problem.

Just I dunno. Not seeing you 3 younger siblings dying in famine/disease/war/purges has made a lot of people very lazy.

[Scribbly]

actually Cain was back home in Essex, so near enough, but just slightly warmer.

I think my point was that people who fail to have any aspirations who then raise children to have no aspirations are a underlying big problem in the education system. They are unwilling to work for anything, as they have nothing to work for.

so they don't want to work hard, cannot see the end benefits, so I found they were the majority of the idiots who fucked around in the classes.

So since they have no respect for education, they have no respect for the teachers. and they sure as hell do not fear teachers, making 75% of the teaching I saw crowd control methods.

Not excusing poor teaching standards or lack of funds, but I don't think teaching apathetic children, who apathy for education is reinforced by the no aspiration parents is a new problem.

Just I dunno. Not seeing you 3 younger siblings dying in famine/disease/war/purges has made a lot of people very lazy.

Jesus christ, is this what I sounded like in the What Do You Own thread?

Fucksake. Education is not some magical cure-all which instantly results in a job. In Birmingham when I lived there, there were 13 people on average applying to every 1 vacancy. In London, applying for jobs in my field post-graduation, even jobs paid at below minimum wage (because fuck you, MPs, that's what your 'internship' is), were getting literally hundreds of applications within 24 hours of being posted.

The problem isn't that people are lazy. The problem is that even if you are motivated to work, there isn't enough work to go around. We do not need the amount of people that are looking for work, to meet our current demands as a society.

And even if you get a job, you can work as hard as you like. Fact is, you're probably still not going to be able to establish a good standard of living (or at least, not the standard the TV tells you that you should have) without massive debt, and if you have a family, both parents working every hour God sends on top. Christ. I've watched a good friend of mine, Cambridge-educated high-flying corporate accountant, struggle to find anything for nine months, until he's wracked himself so far into debt to keep the shitty flat he owns over his head that he couldn't afford the fuel to drive to interviews on his own.

I can't imagine how difficult it would be to be entering this job market without those advantages. And just stop to think for a moment - not everyone can excel in education. So when the people who have done, and have got the top grades, can't find work, what hope would those who are merely 'average' or 'below average' have? Then consider the meaning of the word 'average'.

Are you seriously arguing that this situation would be better if we organized a fucking cull and gunned down a bunch of kids? Well by God, they'd definitely appreciate their meagre lot in life then, eh?! Little bit of survival of the fittest never hurt anyone! Well, except for Timmy, but who gives a fuck, right? We've got more.

[Salty]

actually Cain was back home in Essex, so near enough, but just slightly warmer.

I think my point was that people who fail to have any aspirations who then raise children to have no aspirations are a underlying big problem in the education system. They are unwilling to work for anything, as they have nothing to work for.

so they don't want to work hard, cannot see the end benefits, so I found they were the majority of the idiots who fucked around in the classes.

So since they have no respect for education, they have no respect for the teachers. and they sure as hell do not fear teachers, making 75% of the teaching I saw crowd control methods.

Not excusing poor teaching standards or lack of funds, but I don't think teaching apathetic children, who apathy for education is reinforced by the no aspiration parents is a new problem.

Just I dunno. Not seeing you 3 younger siblings dying in famine/disease/war/purges has made a lot of people very lazy.

I am awfully certain that somewhere in the OP I crammed the idea that people are hopelessly fucked because the educational system is fucked because of The Man's greasy fingers. Even in good educational systems there are lazy kids, but most kids want to learn and get nasty when you don't give them what their brains want, and a lot of them are good at smelling bullshit. It's a system that perpetuates and ingrains their apathy.

You know, you'd figure it would be difficult to focus on getting exceptional grades for a future career when famine/disease/war/purges fuck your families' shit up rather than the other way around.

[LMNO]

Jesus christ, is this what I sounded like in the What Do You Own thread?

I think you know the answer to that already.

[Freeky]

Jesus christ, is this what I sounded like in the What Do You Own thread?

I think you know the answer to that already.

But there is hope, because he recognized it.

[Drunken Monkey Cabal]

Talking about education here. as in for the people who will begin their careers in the next 5+ years

Yes the job market is shit at the minute. Probably will be shit for perhaps another year or two. Never said it wasn't

Would be seriously surprised if in five years time the economy is still in the same state today.

But in five years when there will be more jobs and more demands for educated people, these people will still not care, and still have no aspirations.

[Doktor Howl]

actually Cain was back home in Essex, so near enough, but just slightly warmer.

I think my point was that people who fail to have any aspirations who then raise children to have no aspirations are a underlying big problem in the education system. They are unwilling to work for anything, as they have nothing to work for.

so they don't want to work hard, cannot see the end benefits, so I found they were the majority of the idiots who fucked around in the classes.

So since they have no respect for education, they have no respect for the teachers. and they sure as hell do not fear teachers, making 75% of the teaching I saw crowd control methods.

Not excusing poor teaching standards or lack of funds, but I don't think teaching apathetic children, who apathy for education is reinforced by the no aspiration parents is a new problem.

Just I dunno. Not seeing you 3 younger siblings dying in famine/disease/war/purges has made a lot of people very lazy.

Put kids in a society in which they were doomed at conception, and lo & behold!  They don't care about school, knowing their future holds nothing resembling the American dream.  They aren't stupid, they know there's no fucking jobs, so they concentrate on getting fucked up and getting laid.

[LMNO]

Talking about education here. as in for the people who will begin their careers in the next 5+ years

Yes the job market is shit at the minute. Probably will be shit for perhaps another year or two. Never said it wasn't

Would be seriously surprised if in five years time the economy is still in the same state today.

But in five years when there will be more jobs and more demands for educated people, these people will still not care, and still have no aspirations.

So we should let them starve to death.  Good plan!

[Doktor Howl]

Yes the job market is shit at the minute. Probably will be shit for perhaps another year or two.

[Freeky]

Talking about education here. as in for the people who will begin their careers in the next 5+ years

Yes the job market is shit at the minute. Probably will be shit for perhaps another year or two. Never said it wasn't

Would be seriously surprised if in five years time the economy is still in the same state today.

But in five years when there will be more jobs and more demands for educated people, these people will still not care, and still have no aspirations.

[Drunken Monkey Cabal]

I didn't realise you guys had such proficiency at reading the future,
or maybe could you explaining it to me in a clear way, since you are clearly more knowledge about this then myself

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Where the hell are all these Tea Party retards coming from, anyway?

[Doktor Howl]

I didn't realise you guys had such proficiency at reading the future,
or maybe could you explaining it to me in a clear way, since you are clearly more knowledge about this then myself

Because, for the first time since 1929, we have a bust that is not related to consumer confidence.

This is a case of an utterly plundered economy.  You think that shit's going to be fixed in two years, when nobody who has any influence over it has any incentive to fix it, whatsoever?