man live-tweets exploding marriage at burger king

[Triple Zero]

I mean, they were already making a spectacle of themselves.

They broke civility, and that doesn't mean it was necessary for that guy to break civility as well. One of the reasons we're in such a mess is people throw their shit around and are too self absorbed to be considerate of others.

If I were in the situation, I would have told them that their loud arguing was interrupting my ability to enjoy my meal. Usually if you say that without a hint of condescension, contempt or pretension people will be shocked into consideration and quiet down.

Why is it less civil for him to describe the scene on Twitter than for anyone to describe any public scene on Twitter? I think this generation has become far too self-centered and self-absorbed, and never learned the age-old lesson to be careful what dirty laundry you air in public because it will soon be all over town. People in cities assume they have some kind of right to anonymity, whereas in a smaller community you would assume that any private matters you talked about loudly in public would quickly become public knowledge.

Well, it's an implicit social convention in cities compared to smaller communities. People do it to cope with the fact that they're all living really closely spaced. In a smaller community the assumption would have indeed been otherwise, and so the couple might have acted differently, too. Though there's no way to tell of course.

Another part of the story is that the Twitterer is a journalist/webdeveloper at the Boston Globe with loads of followers. He now removed that info from his profile as people started questioning the ethics of the ordeal. He might have been trying to distance his personal twitter from his professional life, but for journalists it doesn't always work that way.

It might not have gone as viral as it did, ending up being featured on ABC news, if it weren't for that little fact and it had just been some random dude tweeting.

I think that including personally identifying pictures and video was a bit much, but that otherwise, telling the story online of someone making a public spectacle right in front of you is perfectly fine.

Absolutely, also that. It wasn't so much that he told the story, but the level by which he broadcasted the non-event, in video, for the whole world to see.

Even if I wasn't in a verbal fight, if someone would video+audio me having a discussion with someone in a public space, without my knowledge and tweet it to the world, I'd feel violated too. Even if that's apparently legal because it's a public space.

[Kai]

I mean, they were already making a spectacle of themselves.

They broke civility, and that doesn't mean it was necessary for that guy to break civility as well. One of the reasons we're in such a mess is people throw their shit around and are too self absorbed to be considerate of others.

If I were in the situation, I would have told them that their loud arguing was interrupting my ability to enjoy my meal. Usually if you say that without a hint of condescension, contempt or pretension people will be shocked into consideration and quiet down.

Why is it less civil for him to describe the scene on Twitter than for anyone to describe any public scene on Twitter? I think this generation has become far too self-centered and self-absorbed, and never learned the age-old lesson to be careful what dirty laundry you air in public because it will soon be all over town. People in cities assume they have some kind of right to anonymity, whereas in a smaller community you would assume that any private matters you talked about loudly in public would quickly become public knowledge.

Because the civil thing is to ignore other people's personal matters that don't concern you (with exception of people coming to physical harm, in which case it's the utmost civility for you to step in and stop it). It's not about not airing dirty laundry in public out of worry someone might hear and gossip it, it's about not making a public nuisance and disturbing other people for stupid reasons.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I mean, they were already making a spectacle of themselves.

They broke civility, and that doesn't mean it was necessary for that guy to break civility as well. One of the reasons we're in such a mess is people throw their shit around and are too self absorbed to be considerate of others.

If I were in the situation, I would have told them that their loud arguing was interrupting my ability to enjoy my meal. Usually if you say that without a hint of condescension, contempt or pretension people will be shocked into consideration and quiet down.

Why is it less civil for him to describe the scene on Twitter than for anyone to describe any public scene on Twitter? I think this generation has become far too self-centered and self-absorbed, and never learned the age-old lesson to be careful what dirty laundry you air in public because it will soon be all over town. People in cities assume they have some kind of right to anonymity, whereas in a smaller community you would assume that any private matters you talked about loudly in public would quickly become public knowledge.

Well, it's an implicit social convention in cities compared to smaller communities. People do it to cope with the fact that they're all living really closely spaced. In a smaller community the assumption would have indeed been otherwise, and so the couple might have acted differently, too. Though there's no way to tell of course.

Another part of the story is that the Twitterer is a journalist/webdeveloper at the Boston Globe with loads of followers. He now removed that info from his profile as people started questioning the ethics of the ordeal. He might have been trying to distance his personal twitter from his professional life, but for journalists it doesn't always work that way.

It might not have gone as viral as it did, ending up being featured on ABC news, if it weren't for that little fact and it had just been some random dude tweeting.

I think that including personally identifying pictures and video was a bit much, but that otherwise, telling the story online of someone making a public spectacle right in front of you is perfectly fine.

Absolutely, also that. It wasn't so much that he told the story, but the level by which he broadcasted the non-event, in video, for the whole world to see.

Even if I wasn't in a verbal fight, if someone would video+audio me having a discussion with someone in a public space, without my knowledge and tweet it to the world, I'd feel violated too. Even if that's apparently legal because it's a public space.

Ah, I should have read the article. I didn't realize the guy was a journalist; that changes things. I mean, if I Tweeted something only my followers (who are mostly my friends) would ever see it, but if I was a journalist with thousands of followers and a professional reputation, no way in hell.

[Triple Zero]

Right now about 4000 followers. Though it's impossible to say how many of those followed him because of this debacle. And 4000 is not that much for a "Twitter celeb", but not bad either.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Right now about 4000 followers. Though it's impossible to say how many of those followed him because of this debacle. And 4000 is not that much for a "Twitter celeb", but not bad either.

It's not bad at all.

I'm going to stand by my opinion that other than that and the PI, merely tweeting some obnoxious public spat isn't wrong. In my opinion I do worse than that when I share the emails sent me by hopeful Craigslist pervs.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think that's where I draw the line. The PI. Otherwise, it's fair game.

Well yeah, that's kind of my point. You can tweet about what I'm doing all day long if you find it interesting. As soon as you include pictures/video of me you are using my likeness without permission and I'm going to break your phone, and quite probably some of the fingers you're using to hold it.

That's how ECH does intellectual property law. None of this silly "lawyer" crap.

ETA: to clarify, "you" does not mean "you, Nigel" as you are my friend and I trust that if you want to tweet pics or video of me it's because they're hilarious and I'm OK with that. It's a general "you, asshole with the smartphone pointed at me".

[Triple Zero]

I'm going to stand by my opinion that other than that and the PI, merely tweeting some obnoxious public spat isn't wrong. In my opinion I do worse than that when I share the emails sent me by hopeful Craigslist pervs.

Yeah. Agreed.

Though what if somehow Reddit pics up on a screenshot of one of your wonderfully skilled CL antics and it goes viral?

C'est la vie, I guess?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think that's where I draw the line. The PI. Otherwise, it's fair game.

Well yeah, that's kind of my point. You can tweet about what I'm doing all day long if you find it interesting. As soon as you include pictures/video of me you are using my likeness without permission and I'm going to break your phone, and quite probably some of the fingers you're using to hold it.

That's how ECH does intellectual property law. None of this silly "lawyer" crap.

Where do you draw the line, though? Photographs? The person who takes the picture owns the copyright to it. You can copyright a likeness under certain circumstances but original photographs aren't one of them.

People take pictures of other people in public all the time, and post them to their Twitter/Facebook/blog feeds. They take video of people making scenes in public. So the moral/ethical line isn't that clean cut to me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think that's where I draw the line. The PI. Otherwise, it's fair game.

Well yeah, that's kind of my point. You can tweet about what I'm doing all day long if you find it interesting. As soon as you include pictures/video of me you are using my likeness without permission and I'm going to break your phone, and quite probably some of the fingers you're using to hold it.

That's how ECH does intellectual property law. None of this silly "lawyer" crap.

ETA: to clarify, "you" does not mean "you, Nigel" as you are my friend and I trust that if you want to tweet pics or video of me it's because they're hilarious and I'm OK with that. It's a general "you, asshole with the smartphone pointed at me".

I did not think you meant you would break my fingers.

[East Coast Hustle]

I don't care what the law has to say about it. If I catch someone I don't know taking my picture or videotaping me without my permission (outside of the context of, say, a wedding or something like that), I'm going to give them the chance to delete the pics/video without incident and if they refuse, I'm perfectly willing to use physical violence.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm going to stand by my opinion that other than that and the PI, merely tweeting some obnoxious public spat isn't wrong. In my opinion I do worse than that when I share the emails sent me by hopeful Craigslist pervs.

Yeah. Agreed.

Though what if somehow Reddit pics up on a screenshot of one of your wonderfully skilled CL antics and it goes viral?

C'est la vie, I guess?

That could be pretty funny.

Hey, remember a few months ago, the older guy who WOULD NOT QUIT emailing me trying to guilt-trip and pressure me into going out with him? He must be on CL 24/7 because he responded to the ad Roger wrote for me, and then he said "You posted an earlier ad where you said you were 38, didn't you?" then asked my real age. I told him I was 14, but only inside, and he said "you're really 40, aren't you?"

and I said "not for long!" and he disappeared.

I feel like tailoring a troll to him specially.

[East Coast Hustle]

DO IT.

Then, when he shows up to meet "you", I can be waiting there in a stunning vinyl miniskirt and push-up bra.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

DO IT.

Then, when he shows up to meet "you", I can be waiting there in a stunning vinyl miniskirt and push-up bra.

This is the best idea EVER.

[Freckleback]

DO IT.

Then, when he shows up to meet "you", I can be waiting there in a stunning vinyl miniskirt and push-up bra.

Might have to break quite a few fingers that evening.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

DO IT.

Then, when he shows up to meet "you", I can be waiting there in a stunning vinyl miniskirt and push-up bra.

THERE GOES MY HERO...