an argument for a deflationary policy in the You Ess of Heeeeey

[The Good Reverend Roger]

you're a credit to you're university.

I just wanted to point out the above.

Because I'm a complete penis.

[Freeky]

you're a credit to you're university.

I just wanted to point out the above.

Because I'm a complete penis.

[Phox]

In retrospect, this was the best and only necessary response to the OP.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

you're a credit to you're university.

I just wanted to point out the above.

Because I'm a complete penis.

Made me giggle like a maniac.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

[Disco Pickle]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

in your mind it was. 

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

and if my uncle had been born with a vagina he'd have been my aunt.  i'm aware i'm seeing this through a damaged childhood with cloudy hindsight.

and it's not like they didn't think ahead.  i have clear memories of peeing in a cup for my father to help him pass a drug test. 

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

i don't expect to pull completely out of poverty in my generation, but ill do the work to help make sure my parents mistakes are not repeated.  it's no guarantee, but then there are no guarantees  ever. 

please forgive any misspellings.  im using phone pd.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

Interesting.  I was unaware that you could use a DES card for drug transactions.  Could you shoot me a link to this being possible anywhere?

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

I haven't seen any change.

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

No, you're a libertarian fuckwad in my mind, at least at the moment.  It all goes back to those "if parents can't work 2 jobs each and still homeschool their kids, then the kids deserve everything they get", but I'm sure you already know that.  It has caused me to be unable to view you as a functioning human being, again, at least as things stand.

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

Not sure why I should care about this.  It was the statement made, not your own circumstances.  In fact, it would be more understandable (but not more excusable, mind you) if you WERE rich.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

in your mind it was. 

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

and if my uncle had been born with a vagina he'd have been my aunt.  i'm aware i'm seeing this through a damaged childhood with cloudy hindsight.

and it's not like they didn't think ahead.  i have clear memories of peeing in a cup for my father to help him pass a drug test. 

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

i don't expect to pull completely out of poverty in my generation, but ill do the work to help make sure my parents mistakes are not repeated.  it's no guarantee, but then there are no guarantees  ever. 

please forgive any misspellings.  im using phone pd.

Hey.

You can't just march in here and feel picked on after a year. It's my turn to feel picked on this week, buddy, so you just check that shit at the door.

As for your positions, knowing what little I do of them and knowing none of your reasoning behind them, I can only say that the potential benefits of subjecting an entire class of people to state intrusion and scrutiny are far, far outnumbered by the known drawbacks.

Whatever your personal experiences are and whatever anger and resentment you hold toward your parents for failing you, yours is but one case among literally tens of millions - the vast majority of which are nothing like yours. Your shitty experience, however improved it may have been by the authoritarian hand of an overbearing state, doesn't justify condemning those tens of millions of people to a life bereft of dignity and privacy, things which ought to be rights and are only ever denied as punishment. It is not a crime to be poor, and being poor deserves no punishment - much less the indignity of government surveillance.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hey.

You can't just march in here and feel picked on after a year. It's my turn to feel picked on this week, buddy, so you just check that shit at the door.

As for your positions, knowing what little I do of them and knowing none of your reasoning behind them, I can only say that the potential benefits of subjecting an entire class of people to state intrusion and scrutiny are far, far outnumbered by the known drawbacks.

Whatever your personal experiences are and whatever anger and resentment you hold toward your parents for failing you, yours is but one case among literally tens of millions - the vast majority of which are nothing like yours. Your shitty experience, however improved it may have been by the authoritarian hand of an overbearing state, doesn't justify condemning those tens of millions of people to a life bereft of dignity and privacy, things which ought to be rights and are only ever denied as punishment. It is not a crime to be poor, and being poor deserves no punishment - much less the indignity of government surveillance.

But how's he supposed to feel good about crawling out of squalor if he can't shit back into it on the people who didn't manage?

Seriously.  This is about Disco's revenge, and I think it's kind of shitty of you to bring up things like basic human decency.

[Disco Pickle]

i didn't say home school.  where the fuck did I say home school?  i said teach your children not to repeat your mistakes. 

something, btw, that is the only fucking reason we were able to stay up right and not have to run back to the trees. 

but you know, keep writing that what i said was not what i said.  eventually itll be true because you'll be the only one in the conversation.

and i said drug test, not what the drug test was for, or that hurrr you could by duuurugs with a wellfare card.  in the 80s. 

jesus christ the stupidest thing I've done this week is even reply to this and thereby legitimize it as a thought out response.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

i didn't say home school.  where the fuck did I say home school?  i said teach your children not to repeat your mistakes. 

Actually, no you didn't.

something, btw, that is the only fucking reason we were able to stay up right and not have to run back to the trees. 

but you know, keep writing that what i said was not what i said.  eventually itll be true because you'll be the only one in the conversation.

and i said drug test, not what the drug test was for, or that hurrr you could by duuurugs with a wellfare card.  in the 80s. 

jesus christ the stupidest thing I've done this week is even reply to this and thereby legitimize it as a thought out response.

Whatever, Spanky.  You just go back to shitting on the poor.  You've earned it, right?

[Freeky]

No, Dickhead Pissweed, you didn't say homeschool.  But you did not in any way reference teaching your kids about your mistakes so they wouldn't make them again, in context it was clear to mean parents who don't make time to help their children academically, their children deserve everything they get.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

No, Dickhead Pissweed, you didn't say homeschool.  But you did not in any way reference teaching your kids about your mistakes so they wouldn't make them again, in context it was clear to mean parents who don't make time to help their children academically, their children deserve everything they get.

Half a dozen of one, six of the other. 

Biggest thing is, he blames the son for the sins of the father...IE, the kids deserve everything they get, because of the actions of the parents.

Short version:  Shit back on the poor, to show that you've made it.

[Disco Pickle]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

in your mind it was. 

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

and if my uncle had been born with a vagina he'd have been my aunt.  i'm aware i'm seeing this through a damaged childhood with cloudy hindsight.

and it's not like they didn't think ahead.  i have clear memories of peeing in a cup for my father to help him pass a drug test. 

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

i don't expect to pull completely out of poverty in my generation, but ill do the work to help make sure my parents mistakes are not repeated.  it's no guarantee, but then there are no guarantees  ever. 

please forgive any misspellings.  im using phone pd.

Hey.

You can't just march in here and feel picked on after a year. It's my turn to feel picked on this week, buddy, so you just check that shit at the door.

As for your positions, knowing what little I do of them and knowing none of your reasoning behind them, I can only say that the potential benefits of subjecting an entire class of people to state intrusion and scrutiny are far, far outnumbered by the known drawbacks.

Whatever your personal experiences are and whatever anger and resentment you hold toward your parents for failing you, yours is but one case among literally tens of millions - the vast majority of which are nothing like yours. Your shitty experience, however improved it may have been by the authoritarian hand of an overbearing state, doesn't justify condemning those tens of millions of people to a life bereft of dignity and privacy, things which ought to be rights and are only ever denied as punishment. It is not a crime to be poor, and being poor deserves no punishment - much less the indignity of government surveillance.

I have to back off of this position considering the privacy angle, something I consider sacrosanct and abused by the state on far too many levels.

You're correct and my belief that drug testing anyone at the behest of the state conflicts with my principals.  I reject it out of hand.  It's dissonant on a fucked up level.  I was wrong.

How can we address institutionalized poverty that results from state assistance without invading personal privacy?  Is it possible?

No, Dickhead Pissweed, you didn't say homeschool.  But you did not in any way reference teaching your kids about your mistakes so they wouldn't make them again, in context it was clear to mean parents who don't make time to help their children academically, their children deserve everything they get.

Hey, go fuck yourself.  Here's what I said, and you should probably get in the habit of actually quoting people before you lie about what they said.  It'll make you look even funnier.

You know what, if you're too tired to teach your children how to do things better than you did?

FUCK YOU

Your family and your children will get everything that's coming to them.

And I still wholeheartedly believe that.  It's one of the only things that's kept the species from getting eaten by predators, only now the only natural predator we have outside of camping in the wilderness is other humans.  Teaching your children about what NOT to do should your biggest contribution to their lives.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hey, go fuck yourself.  Here's what I said, and you should probably get in the habit of actually quoting people before you lie about what they said.  It'll make you look even funnier.

You know what, if you're too tired to teach your children how to do things better than you did?

FUCK YOU

Your family and your children will get everything that's coming to them.

And I still wholeheartedly believe that.

This is why you aren't actually a human being.  You're more of a thin smear of shit with an Iphone.