Words. Fucking. Fail me.

[Cain]

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Or, as I prefer to call it: Democracy....wait for it, any moment now...I'm sure it will be along soon...no really....now?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

"I can has democracy?"

[Cain]

IOZ says no, you cannot:

Amy Goodman is the host of a radio emission called Democracy Now!--the exclamation point is part of the title, like, Oklahoma! OK! It is grindingly earnest, as you'd imagine, and completely fatuous; its principle bugaboo is the "treatment of journalists"--this being the prism through which its college-nostalgic audience can appreciate, in rainbow hues, the various repressions and degradations of the third world; if not Amy, then some other English-fluent native newspaperman is forever getting hassled by the local cops, and this, dear listener, tells you that Democracy, for all those others, comes up somewhat short of Now! As with most liberal types, Goodman's peacableness is like airport toilet paper, thin and itchy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

IOZ says no, you cannot:

Amy Goodman is the host of a radio emission called Democracy Now!--the exclamation point is part of the title, like, Oklahoma! OK! It is grindingly earnest, as you'd imagine, and completely fatuous; its principle bugaboo is the "treatment of journalists"--this being the prism through which its college-nostalgic audience can appreciate, in rainbow hues, the various repressions and degradations of the third world; if not Amy, then some other English-fluent native newspaperman is forever getting hassled by the local cops, and this, dear listener, tells you that Democracy, for all those others, comes up somewhat short of Now! As with most liberal types, Goodman's peacableness is like airport toilet paper, thin and itchy.

Th International Organization of Zerophiliacs?

http://www.zerophilia.net/

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

IOZ says no, you cannot:

Amy Goodman is the host of a radio emission called Democracy Now!--the exclamation point is part of the title, like, Oklahoma! OK! It is grindingly earnest, as you'd imagine, and completely fatuous; its principle bugaboo is the "treatment of journalists"--this being the prism through which its college-nostalgic audience can appreciate, in rainbow hues, the various repressions and degradations of the third world; if not Amy, then some other English-fluent native newspaperman is forever getting hassled by the local cops, and this, dear listener, tells you that Democracy, for all those others, comes up somewhat short of Now! As with most liberal types, Goodman's peacableness is like airport toilet paper, thin and itchy.

Th International Organization of Zerophiliacs?

http://www.zerophilia.net/

Z-chromosome? "The Z-chromosome is currently undetectable prior to the onset of puberty and becomes active only with sexual activity." ???

[Cain]

IOZ says no, you cannot:

Amy Goodman is the host of a radio emission called Democracy Now!--the exclamation point is part of the title, like, Oklahoma! OK! It is grindingly earnest, as you'd imagine, and completely fatuous; its principle bugaboo is the "treatment of journalists"--this being the prism through which its college-nostalgic audience can appreciate, in rainbow hues, the various repressions and degradations of the third world; if not Amy, then some other English-fluent native newspaperman is forever getting hassled by the local cops, and this, dear listener, tells you that Democracy, for all those others, comes up somewhat short of Now! As with most liberal types, Goodman's peacableness is like airport toilet paper, thin and itchy.

Th International Organization of Zerophiliacs?

http://www.zerophilia.net/

No, even better.  http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/

The internet's funniest gay Jewish yoga-practicing anarchist from Pittsburg.  His recipes are even better than his political ranting.

[navkat]

Nigel, I'd like to make a point right here of saying that this is one of those moments where a previous belief I'd defended (in this case, the argument that racism has been marginalized enough in this country that not "seeing" the issue is sufficient to foster progress), is wrong. When I see I'm wrong, I say it and I just wanted to validate that for you. YOU may not have tried to make a lesson of this (and the Trayvon case) but nonetheless, I didn't miss the lesson.

I hope you understand that while I am not so naive that I refute the existence of the evils of the world, it always knocks the wind out of me when it is demonstrated so overtly. I seriously have I difficult time "putting my mind in those shoes" if you catch my drift. How were there NOT a million and one safeguards against this? I have a hard time comprehending groupthink because I've never felt part of a group.

So yeah, you've got me as a proponent of "there's still work to be done" in your corner.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

This country was stolen from Indians and built with slave labor. I've known old people who were witnesses to lynchings when they were small, the whole town would turn out and BRING THE KIDS to be "entertained". There was some progress in the 60's as far as civil rights and the like, but hundreds of years of this shit doesn't go away, it just goes a little more underground. I think the lid really started to come off when they acquitted those cops who beat Rodney King. I know I wasn't expecting that, I thought at the time that the "your word against theirs" era died with that because there was VIDEO. Fat fuckin chance. I kind of wanted to go out and smash things myself when I heard.

I could be wrong, but it looks like it's starting to get OVERT again, guys in suits like Santorum and Gingrich and a bunch of FOXtards are making it OKAY AGAIN to be publicly racist. "Don't Re-nig in 2012".  Maybe the 60's were nothing but band aid on gangrene.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

IOZ says no, you cannot:

Amy Goodman is the host of a radio emission called Democracy Now!--the exclamation point is part of the title, like, Oklahoma! OK! It is grindingly earnest, as you'd imagine, and completely fatuous; its principle bugaboo is the "treatment of journalists"--this being the prism through which its college-nostalgic audience can appreciate, in rainbow hues, the various repressions and degradations of the third world; if not Amy, then some other English-fluent native newspaperman is forever getting hassled by the local cops, and this, dear listener, tells you that Democracy, for all those others, comes up somewhat short of Now! As with most liberal types, Goodman's peacableness is like airport toilet paper, thin and itchy.

Th International Organization of Zerophiliacs?

http://www.zerophilia.net/

No, even better.  http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/

The internet's funniest gay Jewish yoga-practicing anarchist from Pittsburg.  His recipes are even better than his political ranting.

I've heard of IOZ and seen him quoted, I just have  no idea who is actually is, practically speaking. I might have to start reading his blog. I'm not sure I agree with his take on things, but funny is good.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Nigel, I'd like to make a point right here of saying that this is one of those moments where a previous belief I'd defended (in this case, the argument that racism has been marginalized enough in this country that not "seeing" the issue is sufficient to foster progress), is wrong. When I see I'm wrong, I say it and I just wanted to validate that for you. YOU may not have tried to make a lesson of this (and the Trayvon case) but nonetheless, I didn't miss the lesson.

I hope you understand that while I am not so naive that I refute the existence of the evils of the world, it always knocks the wind out of me when it is demonstrated so overtly. I seriously have I difficult time "putting my mind in those shoes" if you catch my drift. How were there NOT a million and one safeguards against this? I have a hard time comprehending groupthink because I've never felt part of a group.

So yeah, you've got me as a proponent of "there's still work to be done" in your corner.

That's damn bipedal of you, to tell the truth. I respect your ability to change your mind and willingness to admit you're wrong tremendously. Thank you for giving me a reason to have hope for humanity.

[Cain]

I've heard of IOZ and seen him quoted, I just have  no idea who is actually is, practically speaking. I might have to start reading his blog. I'm not sure I agree with his take on things, but funny is good.

I don't always agree with him either, but I find him both funny, and thought-provoking.  He's a good check on my more uncritical assumptions concerning progressive and liberal-left causes in general, as he tends to attack everyone pretty indiscriminately, both Republicans and Democrats.  And libertarians too, despite (or more accurately because) of said anarchist leanings.

And his recipes really are worth checking out.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Nigel, I'd like to make a point right here of saying that this is one of those moments where a previous belief I'd defended (in this case, the argument that racism has been marginalized enough in this country that not "seeing" the issue is sufficient to foster progress), is wrong. When I see I'm wrong, I say it and I just wanted to validate that for you. YOU may not have tried to make a lesson of this (and the Trayvon case) but nonetheless, I didn't miss the lesson.

I hope you understand that while I am not so naive that I refute the existence of the evils of the world, it always knocks the wind out of me when it is demonstrated so overtly. I seriously have I difficult time "putting my mind in those shoes" if you catch my drift. How were there NOT a million and one safeguards against this? I have a hard time comprehending groupthink because I've never felt part of a group.

So yeah, you've got me as a proponent of "there's still work to be done" in your corner.

That's damn bipedal of you, to tell the truth. I respect your ability to change your mind and willingness to admit you're wrong tremendously. Thank you for giving me a reason to have hope for humanity.

Nav's always rocked. The best use for a board like this is probably to say what you think and if it gets poked full of holes, that tells you something. Then you adjust. Saying "I was wrong" is a cheap price to pay for truth, Nav knows this. 

[navkat]

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Everyone fucks up. The thing to do when you see it is nut up and correct yourself.

I have no problem with people disagreeing, being misinformed or even unknowingly harboring a bias. What I absolutely can not tolerate in myself or others is willful ignorance in the face of evidence that at least requires reasonable doubt in your argument and not owning up to your mistakes. That part's important too because it solidifies the correction in your mind and requires everyone around you to do BETTER instead of just letting it blur by, undetected.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I've heard of IOZ and seen him quoted, I just have  no idea who is actually is, practically speaking. I might have to start reading his blog. I'm not sure I agree with his take on things, but funny is good.

I don't always agree with him either, but I find him both funny, and thought-provoking.  He's a good check on my more uncritical assumptions concerning progressive and liberal-left causes in general, as he tends to attack everyone pretty indiscriminately, both Republicans and Democrats.  And libertarians too, despite (or more accurately because) of said anarchist leanings.

And his recipes really are worth checking out.

Adding his site to my blog favorites now. Alternate critical viewpoints are always good.

[Doktor Howl]

I would like to agree.

Unfortunately, the uniform attracts a lot of power-tripping idiots who shouldn't be allowed to tie their shoelaces without assistance, let alone carry a gun and be given special privileges.  And every few days, it seems someone else is being shot dead, or raided, or tazed, or beaten to within an inch of their life for being the wrong skin colour, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, for protesting, or simply because, as far as can seen, the cops felt like it.

I know I'm getting to the point where I leave the area if I see a cop around.  And I'm friends with more than a few cops, or families of cops.  The London police see themselves as a gang.  They're corrupt right to the very top, based on most recent investigations, whether that corruption is organised crime, drug dealing, firearms or political in nature.  They kill people, a lot of people, and get away with it all the time. 

And groups like that will force good cops out.  Sure, they still exist.  But they'll be denied promotions, given bullshit assignments, harassed and demoralized, and they will leave the force.  I read a good story a couple of months ago explaining exactly how the LA County Police had been ruined in that way.  Corrupt institutions will self-perpetuate, if allowed to, and they have been, by a sympathetic judiciary, and a press willing to turn a blind eye.

I've been all over the place, and what I've seen is that police departments are different everywhere, and that departments tend to be very, very good, or very, very bad...With not a lot of ground in between.