Why has Feminism become a Dirty Word? and Other Misogyny on the Internet.

[Freeky]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa?  I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

I think we watch different lesbian porn, because in my girl-on-girl porn, there are no dicks allowed.  TVTropes, the ultimate arbiter of all truth, reasons that it might have something to do with there being twice as many naked and sexual females as straight porn, with no gross hairy dudes. If there is homophobia in straight men watching lesbian porn, I suspect it has more to do with the idea that masturbating to another man having sex makes you gay or something.

I accept this line of reasoning, mainly because I watch gay pron for double the amount of naked dudes.

[Freeky]

Yes I work in education. Principals assign teachers to grades. You do specialise but its not a legal prerequisite. I'm a good example; Major in Japanese Minor in English as part of a standard Arts/Education high school teaching degree (13 - 17 year olds). I now teach Japanese in lower primary (11, 12 year olds).

So I never went to seek a primrary degree so maybe in the really early years it's more specialized. But even so, once you're a teacher, with the exception of LOTE and Instrumental, legally you can do pretty much anything in schools. But certainly with male teachers they're more likely to get placed in 5, 6, 7, as opposed to 3, 4 or lower (and I'm pretty sure you don't need a different degree to teach lower).

Double degree batchellor is just one way; The other way to do it is via masters; finish a BA and then add a teaching masters.

So there's not huge differences between the experiences that I know of in education, but there's small things.

That doesn't happen here.  I looked a couple times into teaching, and there are separate degrees for different age ranges.  And Nigel pretty much said how things work here, so yeah, things happen very differently in upside down land.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yes I work in education. Principals assign teachers to grades. You do specialise but its not a legal prerequisite. I'm a good example; Major in Japanese Minor in English as part of a standard Arts/Education high school teaching degree (13 - 17 year olds). I now teach Japanese in lower primary (11, 12 year olds).

So I never went to seek a primrary degree so maybe in the really early years it's more specialized. But even so, once you're a teacher, with the exception of LOTE and Instrumental, legally you can do pretty much anything in schools. But certainly with male teachers they're more likely to get placed in 5, 6, 7, as opposed to 3, 4 or lower (and I'm pretty sure you don't need a different degree to teach lower).

Double degree batchellor is just one way; The other way to do it is via masters; finish a BA and then add a teaching masters.

So there's not huge differences between the experiences that I know of in education, but there's small things.

Ah. Here, a Masters is required by state law, and you have to receive certification for teaching various topics. Most of the teachers I know specialize. Also, here, 11-12 year olds would be in upper primary/middle school, not lower primary, which would be 7-8 year olds. I believe that middle and high school teachers have the same qualifications and can teach either, but need specialized certifications, which they are required to update annually. It's divided into Elementary and Secondary, and I think Elementary requires some kind of early childhood development degree or certificate.

In your experience, in your region, do male teachers have a harder time finding jobs or getting raises?

[Juana]

Here, you have to have a different teaching certificate to work with high schoolers than you do with K-8. 7-12 = must specialize. K-6, no specialization needed.
And in California, you better wait until you've already been teaching for a few years before you go for a masters (because teachers with a masters get paid more and they're not going to hire you at that pay grade if you already came that way - they don't want to pay more than they have to for new teachers)

[Placid Dingo]

No, they don't (Edit; reply is to Nigel). It's practically an automated system so there's no difference between the two.

Honestly, Im going to take the question in good faith, but I feel like I have to parrot that I'm not in a competition every single post; I'm just pointing out something interesting about the roles men get assigned in schools as compared to women.

[Placid Dingo]

Oh and 6, 7 is upper primary, my mistake. Next year grade 7 is moving to lower high school though.

[Salty]

No, they don't. It's practically an automated system so there's no difference between the two.

Honestly, Im going to take the question in good faith, but I feel like I have to parrot that I'm not in a competition every single post; I'm just pointing out something interesting about the roles men get assigned in schools as compared to women.

After considering going into education I was very aware of this, it's one of the reasons I chose not to. I can't say just why I felt that way. It feels like an unspoken rule of some kind, I've never actually heard anyone disclose concern about that kind of thing, yet the feeling is there. It is interesting.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

The thing about professions dominated by women as a whole, such as childcare, nursing and lower age range education is that generally, as important as these skills are for a functioning society, they are not as well paid on the whole as male-dominated ones. This seems to suggest, to me anyway, that "feminine" traits are not given a high monetary value . I can understand dangerous jobs being highly paid due to the likelihood of accident, but isn't caring for people and teaching kids how to read worth more than we pay for it?

[The Johnny]

welcome to capitalism.

if something isnt tangibly produced, or it isnt of tactical or strategic advantage over another, it doesnt have value.

modern values arent about quality of life or being humane, its about how much stuff one can hoard while kicking the shit out of others

there is somethings that would be good to value in the devalued stereotypical characteristics of what is supposed to be femmenine.

fuck im about to run out of battery

[Placid Dingo]

welcome to capitalism.

if something isnt tangibly produced, or it isnt of tactical or strategic advantage over another, it doesnt have value.

What's silly is we KNOW education gives us long term value, but it's not as easy to emphasise that as just continuing business as usual (here that means digging stuff up).

[The Johnny]

welcome to capitalism.

if something isnt tangibly produced, or it isnt of tactical or strategic advantage over another, it doesnt have value.

What's silly is we KNOW education gives us long term value, but it's not as easy to emphasise that as just continuing business as usual (here that means digging stuff up).

but what about having a servile uneducated population?

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welcome to capitalism.

if something isnt tangibly produced, or it isnt of tactical or strategic advantage over another, it doesnt have value.

What's silly is we KNOW education gives us long term value, but it's not as easy to emphasise that as just continuing business as usual (here that means digging stuff up).

but what about having a servile uneducated population?

[The Johnny]

The thing about professions dominated by women as a whole, such as childcare, nursing and lower age range education is that generally, as important as these skills are for a functioning society, they are not as well paid on the whole as male-dominated ones. This seems to suggest, to me anyway, that "feminine" traits are not given a high monetary value . I can understand dangerous jobs being highly paid due to the likelihood of accident, but isn't caring for people and teaching kids how to read worth more than we pay for it?

Well, readressing this now that i had a good night's sleep

This comes back to the earlier points of women being relegated to what societally is valued as "crap jobs" or what is supposedly by biology/essence where they perform well.

Child-caring: this throughout history has been a job/chore in the "private" sphere of society which was the one where women were supposed to be, while the men were out about in the "public" sphere in contact with society, politics and others... ill leave it at that, because its a complex history...

Nursing: im not even sure how long this profession has existed per-se... but it generally was conceptualized as doing the dirty work that doctors were too busy to do, so it was just an assistantship for doctors... when the general plans of modernization and conceiving the survivavility of the population as important for the economic power of a society, MAYBE thats when it grew in value and men started joining the ranks of nurses "because it is now important".

Or another example, why are there a lot of female secretaries? Because its generally taken as a job that is merely supporting the primary role of the boss, whichever realm it is, and involves revolving around the boss's directive or "looking pretty".

Regarding "looking pretty"... male models are paid way less than female models... is this because modeling is catered to a male perspective? I think so.

Or look, im a psych student, we have a 70%-30% ratio of women to men... the general discourse of why they want to become one i have come to see is "i want to help others" which falls in the category of "caring" or "empathy" and nothing is "created" physically (at most a document, but that generally isnt considered a "creation"), its all about interactions

Im not sure this is all too clearly expressed.

Engineerings are male dominated, because its a "manly job", working with machines and stuff and tinkering with them so they can be more productive, and being productive is "a good thing" in capitalism.

[Phox]

The thing about professions dominated by women as a whole, such as childcare, nursing and lower age range education is that generally, as important as these skills are for a functioning society, they are not as well paid on the whole as male-dominated ones. This seems to suggest, to me anyway, that "feminine" traits are not given a high monetary value . I can understand dangerous jobs being highly paid due to the likelihood of accident, but isn't caring for people and teaching kids how to read worth more than we pay for it?

Well, readressing this now that i had a good night's sleep

This comes back to the earlier points of women being relegated to what societally is valued as "crap jobs" or what is supposedly by biology/essence where they perform well.

Child-caring: this throughout history has been a job/chore in the "private" sphere of society which was the one where women were supposed to be, while the men were out about in the "public" sphere in contact with society, politics and others... ill leave it at that, because its a complex history...

Nursing: im not even sure how long this profession has existed per-se... but it generally was conceptualized as doing the dirty work that doctors were too busy to do, so it was just an assistantship for doctors... when the general plans of modernization and conceiving the survivavility of the population as important for the economic power of a society, MAYBE thats when it grew in value and men started joining the ranks of nurses "because it is now important".

Or another example, why are there a lot of female secretaries? Because its generally taken as a job that is merely supporting the primary role of the boss, whichever realm it is, and involves revolving around the boss's directive or "looking pretty".

Regarding "looking pretty"... male models are paid way less than female models... is this because modeling is catered to a male perspective? I think so.

Or look, im a psych student, we have a 70%-30% ratio of women to men... the general discourse of why they want to become one i have come to see is "i want to help others" which falls in the category of "caring" or "empathy" and nothing is "created" physically (at most a document, but that generally isnt considered a "creation"), its all about interactions

Im not sure this is all too clearly expressed.

Engineerings are male dominated, because its a "manly job", working with machines and stuff and tinkering with them so they can be more productive, and being productive is "a good thing" in capitalism.

Fair insights, dude.  I'd say you're right on most of it.

[Salty]

The thing about professions dominated by women as a whole, such as childcare, nursing and lower age range education is that generally, as important as these skills are for a functioning society, they are not as well paid on the whole as male-dominated ones. This seems to suggest, to me anyway, that "feminine" traits are not given a high monetary value . I can understand dangerous jobs being highly paid due to the likelihood of accident, but isn't caring for people and teaching kids how to read worth more than we pay for it?

Yeah, just look at people like Certified Nurse Assists. They maybe get $12 per hour, and i believe that's fairly high on a national average. These people care for and feed, clean and bathe, and basically do all of the dirty work that allows people to maintain their dignity and base-line health while getting medical care. Meanwhile, a doctor, competent or otherwise, rarely every makes any kind of connection with their patients beyond the cursory kind. It seems to me any job that makes a real human connection with the clientele is kept as far below as possible. I mean, you can make the same kind of money, or more!, giving someone a manicure than you will for cleaning up their shitty bed. And people look down on CNAs and LPN here, bottom of the food chain in the healthcare field. Aaaand it is also considered a woman's job.

Childcare providers make shit too.

Huh.