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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, July 26, 2012, 05:40:34 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

July 26, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
Several bands I listen to that are distinctly NOT punk rock bands have songs that could be considered "punk", in terms of attitude (and in some cases, even musical style).

Examples: 

Talking Heads
Love for Sale
Psycho Killer
Life During Wartime

P!nk
So What

Elton John
Screw You  <--- Arguably more blues, but still.


Obviously not punk artists at all.  But are those songs (or ones like them) themselves punk?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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Nephew Twiddleton

#1
July 26, 2012, 05:44:32 PM
Id say yes. One of the songs i do vocals on is considered by the band to be punk. I wrote the lyrics as more of a filler song but they wanted to use it.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#2
July 26, 2012, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 05:44:32 PM
Id say yes. One of the songs i do vocals on is considered by the band to be punk. I wrote the lyrics as more of a filler song but they wanted to use it.

Talking Heads in particular.  David Byrne has a way of making you feel just as nuts as he sounds.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#3
July 26, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Talking Heads was part of NYC '77, so I usually think of them as Punk, regardless.  Most of that punk style wouldn't be recognized as such, these days.  Hell, I heard tell some snot nosed poser claimed the Clash wasn't "really" punk a while back.  Too bad there wasn't much to send back to the family.

As much as I know you love P!nk, calling that punk doesn't really sit well with me -- although, the chances are good that Tim Armstrong (Operation Ivy, Rancid) helped write it, so you at least have only one degree of separation.

I don't think I've heard that Elton track, but that guy's been flipping off the Man for decades, so why the hell not.

The Good Reverend Roger

#4
July 26, 2012, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 26, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Talking Heads was part of NYC '77, so I usually think of them as Punk, regardless.  Most of that punk style wouldn't be recognized as such, these days.  Hell, I heard tell some snot nosed poser claimed the Clash wasn't "really" punk a while back.  Too bad there wasn't much to send back to the family.

As much as I know you love P!nk, calling that punk doesn't really sit well with me -- although, the chances are good that Tim Armstrong (Operation Ivy, Rancid) helped write it, so you at least have only one degree of separation.

I don't think I've heard that Elton track, but that guy's been flipping off the Man for decades, so why the hell not.

1.  That's one of Elton John's "lost" works, though you can find it on Youtube.

2.  Inre:  The Clash thing.  I was in the dentist's office a number of years ago (2005 or so), and the bastard had MTV on the TV in the waiting room.  This would be horrible enough in itself, but there was the stupid fucking "shout out" video interruptions, and this airhead screams out something about Green Day "pioneering punk rock".  I wanted to go up a fucking water tower.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#5
July 26, 2012, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 26, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
As much as I know you love P!nk, calling that punk doesn't really sit well with me -- although, the chances are good that Tim Armstrong (Operation Ivy, Rancid) helped write it, so you at least have only one degree of separation.

P!nk is DEFINITELY not Punk...She's more what I call "Bad Wiring".  But that one song is, IMO, a little bit punk.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Suu

#6
July 26, 2012, 05:56:37 PM
The Talking Heads are a direct result of Providence.

That should tell you everything.

Elton John totally has a punk attitude toward things, and Pink gives me a headache, so that COULD be punk, maybe. I mean, I was always told that punk was more of an attitude than musical style.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#7
July 26, 2012, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 26, 2012, 05:56:37 PM
The Talking Heads are a direct result of Providence.

Um.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#8
July 26, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
Suu's right, they went to RISD.

Also, P!nk's line 'I'm still a rock star" kind of undercuts the punk ethos.

Suu

#9
July 26, 2012, 05:59:50 PM
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

The Good Reverend Roger

#10
July 26, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 26, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
Suu's right, they went to RISD.

*sigh*  I know, I know.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 26, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
Also, P!nk's line 'I'm still a rock star" kind of undercuts the punk ethos.

I would think that would be more of an "alternative" or "ska" ethos.  I've heard of ONE "punk" band that ever turned down a recording contract.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#11
July 26, 2012, 06:01:31 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

#12
July 26, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
:twitch:

thats like saying that slipknot are pioneering in metal
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Suu

#13
July 26, 2012, 06:05:28 PM
But who exactly pioneered punk?

I mean, it's easy to say The Who and The Kinks, but even at times The Beatles were downright "punk". Elvis, the way he shook his ass? Totally punk for the period.

Punk isn't always "punk rock".
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"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Nephew Twiddleton

#14
July 26, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
That was more in ref to the green day thing. But that is a good distinction are we talking musical style or attitude or a combination?
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