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Started by tyrannosaurus vex, August 13, 2012, 05:25:12 PM

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wlfjstr

#15
August 13, 2012, 11:53:58 PM
I read this thread, and then while cruising the internet on work-related business, I came across this:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/08/13/trapwire_internet_rumors_about_the_surveillance_software_aren_t_based_in_reality_.html

I'm not saying that the gov't doesn't watch us with their baleful eye-in-the-pyramid and all, and that there is little we can do about it.  But it sounds like this TRAPWIRE isn't what it is being billed as.

The Good Reverend Roger

#16
August 13, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Oh, hey.  A blog.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Lenin McCarthy

#17
August 14, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 13, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
I certainly never thought my comment would matter. :lol: Did get a letter telling me I was wrong, though I don't imagine Nunez ever saw it.

I think the organ is there. Just atrophied. It would take much more than has currently come down the pipe to wake it up.

On Thursday, I went to a John Maus concert, which consisted of him doing hysterical karaoke, hitting himself, screaming and jumping around to his synth-poppy backing tracks. In addition to being a musician, he's a Ph.D. candidate in political philosophy. Reading and watching a few interviews of his, it seems like part of his intention with his music is waking to life that desire for another world, which is a prerequisite for any real change to happen. His songs are not explicitly protest songs (he considers politics to be a separate arena and protest songs to be ineffectual and a poor substitute for actual radical political thought), they're just songs that anticipate a world to come, something that isn't. I think he's onto something. We were promised jet packs and flying cars, now we have to ask: WHERE THE HECK ARE THEY? Angrily. Passionately. Building a shared dream of an entirely different world that's worth struggling for, while most people's dreams at the moment are about being successful in the current state of the world. Maybe I'm just being overly idealistic, but at least I like the sentiment.

tyrannosaurus vex

#18
August 14, 2012, 12:32:59 AM
Quote from: Lenin/McCarthy on August 14, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 13, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
I certainly never thought my comment would matter. :lol: Did get a letter telling me I was wrong, though I don't imagine Nunez ever saw it.

I think the organ is there. Just atrophied. It would take much more than has currently come down the pipe to wake it up.

On Thursday, I went to a John Maus concert, which consisted of him doing hysterical karaoke, hitting himself, screaming and jumping around to his synth-poppy backing tracks. In addition to being a musician, he's a Ph.D. candidate in political philosophy. Reading and watching a few interviews of his, it seems like part of his intention with his music is waking to life that desire for another world, which is a prerequisite for any real change to happen. His songs are not explicitly protest songs (he considers politics to be a separate arena and protest songs to be ineffectual and a poor substitute for actual radical political thought), they're just songs that anticipate a world to come, something that isn't. I think he's onto something. We were promised jet packs and flying cars, now we have to ask: WHERE THE HECK ARE THEY? Angrily. Passionately. Building a shared dream of an entirely different world that's worth struggling for, while most people's dreams at the moment are about being successful in the current state of the world. Maybe I'm just being overly idealistic, but at least I like the sentiment.

A future where cars fly, aging has been cured, everyone is issued metallic unisex leotards and space helmets? Sounds great to you and me, sure. But to 80% or 90% of the cattle out there? No way. That kind of future scares them. Fuck knows why. It isn't like they're currently enjoying much of a Utopia with the way things are now, but apparently a broken system is always preferable to a new one.

We'll never have flying cars or genderless, elastic aluminum outerwear, because half of us are too old and scared of the little change we already have, and the other half of us are young, distracted, uneducated, disinterested without any kind of intellectual ambition at all. That leaves the third half of us, and we don't even exist. Good luck with a revolution under those conditions.
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#19
August 14, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
No genderless elastic aluminum outerwear?  :sad:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#20
August 14, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
No genderless elastic aluminum outerwear?  :sad:

With weird discs around the ankles, wrists, and neck?

:cry:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#21
August 14, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 14, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
No genderless elastic aluminum outerwear?  :sad:

With weird discs around the ankles, wrists, and neck?

:cry:

I don't really see much point in going on, then.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#22
August 14, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 14, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
No genderless elastic aluminum outerwear?  :sad:

With weird discs around the ankles, wrists, and neck?

:cry:

I don't really see much point in going on, then.

So we can punish the shitnecks who took it away?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#23
August 14, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 14, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 14, 2012, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 14, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
No genderless elastic aluminum outerwear?  :sad:

With weird discs around the ankles, wrists, and neck?

:cry:

I don't really see much point in going on, then.

So we can punish the shitnecks who took it away?

I certainly plan to! It's the only joy I have left, now that I've been robbed of the Future™ I was promised.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Cain

#24
August 15, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Abraxas, the company behind Trapwire, also offered "internet anonymity services".

Gosh, I wonder if that was yet another covert surveillance program? 

:lulz:

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#25
August 15, 2012, 03:44:29 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 15, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Abraxas, the company behind Trapwire, also offered "internet anonymity services".

Gosh, I wonder if that was yet another covert surveillance program? 

:lulz:

Mmm.... delicious pot of honey.
P E R   A S P E R A   A D   A S T R A

Cain

#26
August 15, 2012, 03:45:43 AM
Delicious government-funded honey for the insufficiently paranoid and net-savvy.

Bu🤠ns

#27
August 15, 2012, 03:55:56 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 15, 2012, 03:45:43 AM
Delicious government-funded honey for the insufficiently paranoid and net-savvy.

That's it right there. But even a below-average hacker would know better than that.  So why target the less than stupid?

The Good Reverend Roger

#28
August 15, 2012, 03:58:03 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 15, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Abraxas, the company behind Trapwire, also offered "internet anonymity services".

Gosh, I wonder if that was yet another covert surveillance program? 

:lulz:

Abraxas, incidentally, is one of the demons of Christian mythology.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#29
August 15, 2012, 04:02:03 AM
Yeah, I noticed that.  Gnostic cosmology had a lot to say about him as well, where he is the progenitor of nous, the Greek for intellect or intelligence.

Very amusing, Mr Mercenary Spy-Man.
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