Proving Godwins law in one post?

[Cain]

The Order of Nine Angels has you praise Hitler as part of the initiation ceremony.

I personally find it amusing a group which is so focused on "success" and "self-mastery" at any cost would idolise an emotionally unbalanced fool who lost so badly his entire country was brought to the edge of ruin, and his political ideology almost entirely discredited in public.

[hooplala]

Unfortunately, charging idiot children cash for membership in an individualistic religion is a rather deep seated inner desire.


It feels like some kind of public warning service or something.

Public warning services are fun.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

You seem to be mixing a lot of dichotomies here.

You start off talking about strength versus weakness, but veer into privilege versus lack thereof, luxury versus want, security versus vulnerability.

Those aren't all the same things and range from loosely related to not in any way remotely related. Hard to address the topic when it's many topics conflated like this.

It seemed to flow logically for me.

[trippinprincezz13]

I assume the gist of the point boils down to, at least in part, playing the victim card. I'm sure that all (most) people will agree that a frail old woman who gets punched in the face and has her purse stolen didn't "deserve it" just because she was not physically stronger than her assailant. (I know there are varying degrees of strength other than physical, that just an easy example). Rather, it's the people who get trampled on or allow themselves to be trampled on, then just "woe is me" like a fish out of water, flopping around waiting for someone to scoop them back in. As was mentioned, blaming everyone but themselves for their problems.

Yes, there are physical, mental, societal, etc. conditions that may hold one back, but to give up without even trying when there are opportunities to better oneself or to try to make change, whether on an individual or larger scale - "deserve it" is still a tough phrase, but, it does lessen my sympathy.

On a slightly related note, while having a conversation online with a friend, I recommended that she may not want to indicate that she is willing/able to perform certain tasks for a job she is interviewing for, when she is in fact not willing/able, as it would not be fair to the employer, who would likely let her go once they figure out she can't/won't perform the job she was hired for. She told me that it is a "cold hard world" and she's has to do what she needs to get by, while in the same breath complaining how unfair everything is and how everyone should be making special accomodations for her. I didn't want to completely alienate her, so mostly just laughed to myself

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

What i dont accept is the notion of "deserving it"; surely passivity can throw me into a rage-froth, but i know there's a reason behind it, and with a wide enough perspective and understanding of the situation one can see the reason which isnt so apparent.

Relevant all over the place.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

In theory this sounds alright, the problem would be who gets designated as "weak", thats when shit can get crazy pretty fast.

"wer der untermenschen?"

This whole explanation you propose can very well used to justify why people are in bad situations "Well, THEY'RE weak, they DESERVE it", which is a posture i cannot emphatize with.

The decks are stacked, people can be "weak" because of the context, the history, and the institutionalized privileges.

Im not accusing you of anything, but if you provide concrete examples of who is "weak", we can get this ball rolling.

In my perspective, for people to be "strong" they need support to nurture it, 'cause one will not oppose an imposition if he knows for sure hes going into the meatgrinder.

This.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Satanism has applications for membership, and it charges a fee, thats retarded.

No good sir, That is genuis.


Every version of a satan entity I can imagine involves thousands and thousands of fucking forms, each more arcane and semicolon riddled than the last.

I can think of no finer representation of Satan than Bureaucracy and charging for the privilege.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You seem to be mixing a lot of dichotomies here.

You start off talking about strength versus weakness, but veer into privilege versus lack thereof, luxury versus want, security versus vulnerability.

Those aren't all the same things and range from loosely related to not in any way remotely related. Hard to address the topic when it's many topics conflated like this.

Also this.

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What i dont accept is the notion of "deserving it"; surely passivity can throw me into a rage-froth, but i know there's a reason behind it, and with a wide enough perspective and understanding of the situation one can see the reason which isnt so apparent.

Relevant all over the place.

Yup.

More on that point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So here's the deal. Fuck the weak.

The Machine^TM already does that.  It doesn't need my help.

[Richter]

Thoughts on OP - "Life sucks, wear a hat." and "Fuck off if all you will do is whine."  Good read too, this really got me examining how I consider strength vs. weakness, how I see it enacted, and how I enact it myself.

RAW had a bit like this; the strong enforcing their will, and the weak using appeal to morality (doesn't THAT sounds like a logical fallacy) as their recourse against it.
I'm having trouble coming up with a clear idea of "The weak".  Riffing off what you said, it seems like the mindset of not solving an issue for yourself, it's making an appeal.  Rather than taking on and addressing a problem, it is whining that it was done wrong and insisting it be corrected by someone else. 

Character wise, I agree with your statement.  Fuck the weak.  Wait... No need to, they unfailingly fuck themselves.  Trying to help or un-fuck, beyond pointing them in the direction of the land of "DEALING WITH IT" is robbing them of badly needed opportunities to develop gonads. 

IRL application I'm finding tricky.  Reminds me of the saying "War is like riding a lion" (cool as HELL while your at it, but certain to bite you in the ass when you try to stop.)

[The Johnny]

richter, RAW got those ideas from nietzsche, slave and master morality

[Cain]

And Nietzsche got those ideas from Lutheran philosophy, or so it has been persuasively claimed by Walter Kaufmann, the best known translator of his work into the English language.

[The Johnny]

What i dont accept is the notion of "deserving it"; surely passivity can throw me into a rage-froth, but i know there's a reason behind it, and with a wide enough perspective and understanding of the situation one can see the reason which isnt so apparent.

Relevant all over the place.

Yup.

More on that point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

Yeah, its among the lines of "everything happens for a reason" that X-tians like to use.

Although im not really into all that "cognitive bias" concepts... recently i worked with all the frame work of "attribution theory" that thinks thru the perspective of cognitive bias and, i was shown the "social representations" theory, which actually evolved from all that thinking, and it seems to integrate it pretty well... i mean, all those "biases" are derived from specific experiments, but thats also their detriment, id recommend seeing the thread i made on AI about representations

[The Johnny]

And Nietzsche got those ideas from Lutheran philosophy, or so it has been persuasively claimed by Walter Kaufmann, the best known translator of his work into the English language.

That seems like an odd connection