How most men, even good caring men, have no clue what women go through

[Placid Dingo]

Nigel, I wasn't calling anyone a liar so hopefully that's not what you got from my previous question.


If I can ask a question of the females;

How often in a day/week would you say you're approached by men you don't know. Specifically disregarding drunk guys at pubs/clubs. Just out of curiosity.

It might be helpful to append this question with "and how often are you out in public alone".

About that often ^

So literally every time (or almost every time) you're out unaccompanied in public you're approached by men you don't know? Is that what you're saying?

That's true for me. I've already said as much.

Thanks for those replied, and apologies for missing the bolded.

I think Aus has a very different culture; for all the macho bullshit embedded in it, talking to girls I know the consensus is that unless you're somewhere serving alcohol generally men won't approach you. That's regarding this area (regional QLD) and Brisbane (City/Metro).

Also been told anecdotaly that Oz women who've gone to America have found American men more pushy and assertive. On top of my American guy telling me Aussie men are 'too reserved', and that the stories I'm getting from people here don't match up with what women I know tell me, I'm going to work off the assumption that there's a culture difference between Oz and US regarding men and women.

[East Coast Hustle]

Signora has been extremely disingenuous. The appeal to authority at ECH was pointlessly exclusive.

Not gonna lie, that got me wrapped around the axle pretty bad. And that's not easy to do. And I feel that, in my subsequent anger and what I wrote about that subject, I wasn't clear enough in distinguishing that when I was talking about how I felt when being talked to on the subject by Garbo or SP, I don't think Garbo intends to come off that way. I think SP definitely does, and I'm taking her lack of any cogent response to me about this as evidence.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Nigel, I wasn't calling anyone a liar so hopefully that's not what you got from my previous question.


If I can ask a question of the females;

How often in a day/week would you say you're approached by men you don't know. Specifically disregarding drunk guys at pubs/clubs. Just out of curiosity.

It might be helpful to append this question with "and how often are you out in public alone".

About that often ^

So literally every time (or almost every time) you're out unaccompanied in public you're approached by men you don't know? Is that what you're saying?

You have to actually meet Nigel in person to understand the phenomenon.  She's smoking hot, funny, smart, and batshit insane.

I can see how that would occasionally be a collection of drawbacks.

[Faust]

How blessed he was that you would take the time to talk to him, Faust.

About the time I registered to this site I came about a hairs breath away from being that guy. Unless someone is flashing their knob, grabbing, or shitting themselves I think the bus example is a bad one.

I'm glad you didn't go down that road, but just because you're okay with random strangers striking up a conversation doesn't mean you should begrudge women who shut that down (because that's how you came across to me). You're less socially vulnerable than a woman, and women are constantly aware of that vulnerability.

Horseshit, Unless your Busess are WAAAY worse then ours there is no danger or vulnrability involved other then a waste of your time.
If it was a DANGEROUS person chances are they would follw you off the bus without ever speaking to you which has happened to my fiance

[Faust]

Garbo, you seem to see danger and hostility in every place you go. If that example had been at a bar I would agree completely.
I agree that some women are more vulnrable, I disagree that this vulnrability is universal, the bus is a conetious issue for me because there is a reason the crazies always come to talk to me:
I'm generally the only one on the bus not wearing earphones or staring at a phone. I hate the insular nature of it and I believe EVERYONE on the bus should be making the effort and talking to each other, men, women and fence sitters alike.

[Verbal Mike]

I think I might have missed Signora's appeal-to-authority/ECH thing - what thread was that in?

And an interesting metaphor came to mind when I was reading Burns's post just now. Typical socialization of boys seems to be a climbing race to manhood, where your peers (of all genders) are the only permissible ladder. Boys get in the habit of stepping all over people, and some don't seem to kick that habit even after they've already reached the finishing line. Or maybe a lot of us are just never sure we've ever even reached it, and keep climbing just to make sure.

[AFK]

I'm not so sure if that is really true overall, certainly on anindividual basis you see that happen.  I think most kids today are socialized, in America anyway, to climb the ladder to achieve the American Dream, but in my experience it is more about the individual bettering themselves and growing and utilizing skills.  I don't agree with the idea that we are all socializing our kids to climb the ladder at the expense of others.

[Verbal Mike]

Yeah, it was a bit of a sweeping generalization. What I have in mind is a certain aspect of a certain stereotypical style of boy/man socialization, which I think while prevalent certainly isn't the only thing going on, or even going on at all everywhere. Does seem to me to be at least part of the picture in most places I'm familiar with in any way.

[Bu🤠ns]

What comes to my mind isn't necessarily the stepping on others but more a general violence in which boys are expected to participate in--especially for status.

[AFK]

Hmm, maybe, though I think with the rise of the internet we have seen a certain glorification of certain kinds of violence amongst females, though that generally is a female on female violence.

[East Coast Hustle]

Hmm, maybe, though I think with the rise of the internet we have seen a certain glorification of certain kinds of violence amongst females, though that generally is a female on female violence.

Jesus. If I get reamed for what I said and this idiotic crap gets a pass, I'm going to go burn a woman in effigy on my lawn.

RWHN, who do you think is doing the glorifying of wman-on-woman violence? Do you think it might be.....men?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Nigel, I wasn't calling anyone a liar so hopefully that's not what you got from my previous question.


If I can ask a question of the females;

How often in a day/week would you say you're approached by men you don't know. Specifically disregarding drunk guys at pubs/clubs. Just out of curiosity.

It might be helpful to append this question with "and how often are you out in public alone".

About that often ^

So literally every time (or almost every time) you're out unaccompanied in public you're approached by men you don't know? Is that what you're saying?

You have to actually meet Nigel in person to understand the phenomenon.  She's smoking hot, funny, smart, and batshit insane.

I can see how that would occasionally be a collection of drawbacks.

Aw, thanks!  

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Hmm, maybe, though I think with the rise of the internet we have seen a certain glorification of certain kinds of violence amongst females, though that generally is a female on female violence.

Jesus. If I get reamed for what I said and this idiotic crap gets a pass, I'm going to go burn a woman in effigy on my lawn.

RWHN, who do you think is doing the glorifying of wman-on-woman violence? Do you think it might be.....men?

I didn't see it or I might  have said something.

RWHN has to take the contrarian view on this... I rarely find anything he has to say substantive or worth replying to, he's a pot-stirrer at best. Remember, this is the guy who in another thread outright denied that men have an advantage over women in this society.

[AFK]

Hmm, maybe, though I think with the rise of the internet we have seen a certain glorification of certain kinds of violence amongst females, though that generally is a female on female violence.

Jesus. If I get reamed for what I said and this idiotic crap gets a pass, I'm going to go burn a woman in effigy on my lawn.

RWHN, who do you think is doing the glorifying of wman-on-woman violence? Do you think it might be.....men?

Well sure, but there is also some tacit approval from women as well, particularly when it is young girls involved, a sort of "girls will be girls" attitude, and I don't believe for a second it is only men who post, spread, and promote these "smack down" videos you see on Youtube and Facebook.  Women are guilty as well. 


And that's my point, instead of pointing fingers at genders, how about we just focus on ALL of the asshats who condone this shit, instead of making it a feminist issue, because this kind of thing does transcend that.

[AFK]

Hmm, maybe, though I think with the rise of the internet we have seen a certain glorification of certain kinds of violence amongst females, though that generally is a female on female violence.

Jesus. If I get reamed for what I said and this idiotic crap gets a pass, I'm going to go burn a woman in effigy on my lawn.

RWHN, who do you think is doing the glorifying of wman-on-woman violence? Do you think it might be.....men?

I didn't see it or I might  have said something.

RWHN has to take the contrarian view on this... I rarely find anything he has to say substantive or worth replying to, he's a pot-stirrer at best. Remember, this is the guy who in another thread outright denied that men have an advantage over women in this society.

Eh, no, your memory is rather clouded, what I said was that oppression in society is more akin to class these days than gender.  There are white men who live in the poor neighborhoods I work in who are from generational poverty who will never be able to crawl out of it.  And there are plenty of women who are born into situations with significant more opportunity available, but neither have anything to do with their gender.


Now, take a man and a woman from the same rung on the class ladder, sure, the man will tend, on average, to have more doors open.  But class is a much more powerful determinent in today's America.