Dear holist and AKK

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was trying to figure out what damage it could be, what piece of social information is opaque to you, that you simply don't understand what "attention whoring" is. And then I realized that maybe you don't realize that, while almost everybody talks about themselves and relates things to themselves in some way or another on a regular basis, most people observe certain conventions about a socially correct time and place and degree in which to talk about themselves. You guys don't seem to naturally have that filter in place, so I thought maybe it would be helpful to spell it out a bit so maybe the social convention would seem a bit more transparent for you.

So, first general rule: Talking about other people = riveting. Talking about yourself = unbelievably boring.

Second general rule: Threads that are specifically about someone else are not an invitation for talking about yourself. THE GOOD NEWS: That means you can totally start a thread for talking about yourself! ONE AT A TIME. JUST ONE.

Third general rule: Threads that are about a new item or other such topic are also not an invitation for talking about yourself.

Fourth general rule: Threads like Open Bar, or threads that ask you what you're reading/thinking/listening to: TOTALLY ALL ABOUT talking about yourself! Go to town, sisters!

Fifth general rule: People sometimes do get stuck in that unfortunate stage of development where they really think that they are so fascinating that everyone's always thinking about them (this is especially evident with people who are drunk). However, you can take comfort in the fact that they're not. Everyone is pretty much always thinking about THEMSELVES, which is why we have these social conventions for minimizing the world's most boring conversations in which everyone just talks about their own self. No bueno.

Sixth general rule: If you put some work into it, you might be able to become a fairly decent and compelling writer, and author stories and essays that are really about you, but written in such a way that other people actually enjoy them. Think about it. You love you, and you want others to think about you as much as you do. That's impossible, but the next best thing is getting them to read stories about you and then share them with other people because your story about you makes them think about... themselves. Which is what everyone is already thinking about all the time, anyway. "Your story about you made me think about me!" is pretty much  the highest accolade any author can ever receive, if we want to be honest about things. Check it out.

I hope this was helpful!

[Dildo Argentino]

I hope this was helpful!

It wasn't. It was quite condescending, I daresay patronising, though, which is par for the course.

Also, I hope you realise that when you pretend to talk about "what most people do", you are actually talking about yourself.

Luckily, as to your first point, I happen to be the other way round: I find it interesting when people talk about themselves, and less interesting (as a general rule, there are many exceptions) when they talk about others.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I hope this was helpful!

It wasn't. It was quite condescending, I daresay patronising, though, which is par for the course.

Also, I hope you realise that when you pretend to talk about "what most people do", you are actually talking about yourself.

Luckily, as to your first point, I happen to be the other way round: I find it interesting when people talk about themselves, and less interesting (as a general rule, there are many exceptions) when they talk about others.

Sadly, though, you fall prey to false consensus when you assume this is true for others. Most people do find it interesting when others talk about themselves in socially appropriate settings such as those I have provided general guidelines for, and less so in settings where the topic is not personal.

You make a common mistake in assuming that, like yourself, I am speaking from my own false consensus. I am trying to help those who are less socially skilled, and assume that what is fascinating to them (ie, yourself) is fascinating to everyone else. Typically, when someone starts a thread that is NOT about holist, it is actually because they are interested in that particular non-holist subject, and not in holist... else they would have started a thread about holist.

[Patron Saint]

I've been making it a point only to mention anything about me that seems relevant. 

Thus far:

Riddle me this: more or less an announcement to gauge the waters.  Turns out favorable.  Yay.  Thread retired.

I think I mentioned I owned a tea party record when someone mentioned them.  One of the holists...

I also mentioned in a thread about someone else's music I was planning on doing something similar to their project on a new record.  No specifics, dropped it, just relating to the subject while still engaging in it.

There was also a response where the pledge was invoked, and I simply replied it didn't work before.  End of tangent discussion.

My point:  If things continue with the current trend of people not freaking the fuck out that I snuck in through the side door and was permitted to stay for as long as it amuses the admins (mature response at PD?  Blasphemy!) then I doubt you'll see much of the same old same old here.

I don't need to talk about me much.  I have vindication in my life now, so I don't make it such a point to force my bullshit in everyone's face, plus you guys talk about me more than enough as it is.  I'm actually much more successful since I gave up on promoting at all.  Talk about me when appropriate?  Sure, why not, but it's a different paradigm.  Don't buy into it just because I say so though, stick around and see what happens (*rubs palms evilly*).

Either way, words are appreciated and I know your heart is in the right place if not coming off as a little abrasive (understated emote here)...  but I'd expect nothing less from the denizens of PD.com

That said, Holist can proudly bear the torch for as long as he wants to and I won't begrudge him for it in the slightest.  At some point he'll get his vindication and satisfaction, or he won't, whatever.

On that note, I think it's still silly to try to maintain that there is "specific order" here with all the off topic stuff that gets thrown around, but I see the point, the line needs to be drawn somewhere or it turns to a river of shit.  This was proven by the death of 4chan as a content creator.  Currently nothing interesting or funny can survive there because it's drowned under hoards of copypasta and same so even if there was something valuable it would never be discovered... I digress.

Good on you mate, but keep in mind, perception is an important part of all of this.  I could present myself as a golden child here to lick the balls of long time contributors and do nothing offensive and still be forced into a box of outlandish if that was the forgone conclusion (sic).

This was something I noticed in the Holist thread.  Tons of samey same, but I did notice the samey same on the rebuttle from long time PD spags, even when Holist occasionally made a point that wasn't completely fucktarded (it happened at least once I swear).  When that happens you have to understand why this place turns people into trolls.  When you (the proverbial noob jack ass) do score a point, and it gets marked as an error because the game is rigged, you eventually turn to the "burn the world" philosophy and just start trolling, not even intentionally but because it creates a sense of social justice and even pushes one to feel vindicated when they piss everyone off and create a giant shit storm, it's pure schadenfreude bliss and is quite a logical reaction.  There is a maximum level of abuse anyone can take before they turn chaotic stupid and in a way, PD creates these monsters.  I'm sure some of you guys are cognizant of this, but I'm not sure you (the Holist OP) is fully aware, or if you are, then you're just fucking with Holist (and by extent myself) which is fine I suppose, but the point still remains... if you are creating these monster babies, especially if it's done consciously, then you have no one to blame but yourself when the shitflood arrives, so I'm not falling for it this time thanks

I'll just be here doin muh thang and actually making some effort to cultivate something nice as ridiculous as that sounds on paper.  Then again this could all be an elaborate troll, you should probably freak out and be paranoid.

Enjoy!

[AFK]

Heh, I thought it was you. 

[Patron Saint]

Heh, I thought it was you.

As predicted, I was outed on day 3.  This means I have psychic powers.

Lotto numbers: 11. 28. 33. 41. 43.

[Dildo Argentino]

Sadly, though, you fall prey to false consensus when you assume this is true for others.

Well no. I'm just blowing my own trumpet. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My point:  If things continue with the current trend of people not freaking the fuck out that I snuck in through the side door and was permitted to stay for as long as it amuses the admins (mature response at PD?  Blasphemy!) then I doubt you'll see much of the same old same old here.

Sorry.  Bye.

[Elder Iptuous]

did his account just get banned?

what'd he get the hammer for the first time he was here?

[LMNO]

[Elder Iptuous]

the charge is unacceptable Hamburglar impersonation.
the verdict?
Outlandish!
OFF with his head!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Heh, I thought it was you.

As predicted, I was outed on day 3.  This means I have psychic powers.

Lotto numbers: 11. 28. 33. 41. 43.

Dude, everyone knew it was you from post 1. Nobody cares. At least not until you went all holist jr. with the attention whoring.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

did his account just get banned?

what'd he get the hammer for the first time he was here?

I thought he never got banned. Didn't he bork his own password and then cry about it? Or am I thinking about someone else?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

did his account just get banned?

what'd he get the hammer for the first time he was here?

I thought he never got banned. Didn't he bork his own password and then cry about it? Or am I thinking about someone else?

He did, then he was allowed back on.  He then spammed the board for 30 consecutive hours until he was banned.

He side-stepped the ban.  He has been re-banned.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

did his account just get banned?

what'd he get the hammer for the first time he was here?

I thought he never got banned. Didn't he bork his own password and then cry about it? Or am I thinking about someone else?

He did, then he was allowed back on.  He then spammed the board for 30 consecutive hours until he was banned.

He side-stepped the ban.  He has been re-banned.

Oh.

What a douche.