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Started by AFK, January 20, 2013, 12:56:35 AM

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AFK

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 21, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 06:57:07 PM
No, you're fucking not.  You're ignoring the citation, because the citation disagrees with your ham-fisted authoritarian views.  Also, ignoring the citation lets you wiggle out of a bad spot, which would be anything involving an actual debate, because that's not why you're here.


Well, actually, if you look back you'll see I already stated I was in full agreement with at least oneof the articles Nigel posted, which supported a multi-faceted approach which included gun control.  So I'm afraid you are a bit off the mark. 


But the thing is, okay, maximum wage sounds good.  I mean, I certainly would not argue against that policy, in general.  But if it is being proposed as a part of reducing gun violence, you have to be able to explain how that works in your proposal.


What specifically does the maximum wage do?  Okay,so it will increase the wages for jobs.  But what about the kids engaged in gun violence who don't have jobs?  What do you do about them?

Wow, you don't understand this at all.

Because you absolutely refuse to read the research I posted.

Basically, the researchers found that it's not low income that is linked to gun violence, but a wide income disparity.


No, I understand that fine, though it looked like social capital and civic engagement might be even more powerful protective factors.  But I question whether a maximum wage would really have any meaningful impact when unemployment is still a tough issue, because certainly, lots of people out of work impacts the income disparity.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

The Good Reverend Roger

And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.


You really think I care what you, ECH, and Nigel think about me?  Really?  Holler away, I can assure you I'll be fine.  ;)



Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 21, 2013, 07:18:21 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to have my social policy dictated to me by someone who's a little less odious a human being. Listening to RWHN go on about what's wrong with the world and how to fix it is like listening to Dr. Mengele tell me I have to brush my teeth before bed.


OH NOES I'M ODIUS!!!  That crushes me ECH, it really does.   :lulz:
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.


You really think I care what you, ECH, and Nigel think about me?  Really?  Holler away, I can assure you I'll be fine.  ;)

I think you care a great deal.  Otherwise, you wouldn't have lied about your job.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
Dude knows a good way to kill off any actual content or even conversations that don't involve him telling everyone what to do or where to get off.

And we've been really bad about rewarding him for this shit.


See, now this is just really sad.  Jesus Christ, if people can't multi-task and engage in multiple threads at the same time, then there is no fucking hope for this site anyway.  Back in the early days we were having flame fests and putting the BIP together at the same time.  I mean God, our most infamous trolls came and left in that era.  Don't blame the lack of content on me, that shit has been a problem for a long time now.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.

Basic attention-whoring.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


AFK

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.


You really think I care what you, ECH, and Nigel think about me?  Really?  Holler away, I can assure you I'll be fine.  ;)

I think you care a great deal.  Otherwise, you wouldn't have lied about your job.


What lie is that then?
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
And we're back to RWHN being the REASONABLE GUY.

Once anyone stops hollering at him, he'll go back to needling people.  Set your fucking watch by it.


You really think I care what you, ECH, and Nigel think about me?  Really?  Holler away, I can assure you I'll be fine.  ;)

I think you care a great deal.  Otherwise, you wouldn't have lied about your job.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 21, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 21, 2013, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:33:58 PM
Well, those are great long-term goals.  But what are you going to do about the problem RIGHT NOW?

Wait... are you under the impression that passing more gun control laws is a short-term solution?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

What on EARTH gives you that idea?


Don't answer the question with a question.  The goals you listed are good, but long term and nothing you would be able to pass or enact in the short term.  So I'll ask again.  What would you do RIGHT NOW to start impacting the issue of gun violence?

You answer questions with questions all the time, hypocrite.  :lol:

Let's take just one of my suggestions: Impose a maximum wage.

How is that not "right now"? How is passing more gun control laws somehow more immediate? It certainly hasn't shown to be effective in reducing gun violence so far, so why do you think it will start being effective now?


Okay, my first question would be what specifically is it about the maximum wage that would reduce gun violence? Walk me through it.

What about an assault weapons ban, specifically, would reduce gun violence? Walk me through it.
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What specifically about RWHN pulling his head out of his arse would make my PD experience more pleasurable?  Someone walk me through it.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Elder Iptuous

Roger, you ever get those matched Bisleys rebarreled?

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Elder Iptuous on January 21, 2013, 08:07:28 PM
Roger, you ever get those matched Bisleys rebarreled?

Sold 'em.  The damage wasn't as bad as it appeared, and I a fairly decent price for them.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 21, 2013, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 21, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 21, 2013, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 21, 2013, 06:33:58 PM
Well, those are great long-term goals.  But what are you going to do about the problem RIGHT NOW?

Wait... are you under the impression that passing more gun control laws is a short-term solution?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

What on EARTH gives you that idea?


Don't answer the question with a question.  The goals you listed are good, but long term and nothing you would be able to pass or enact in the short term.  So I'll ask again.  What would you do RIGHT NOW to start impacting the issue of gun violence?

You answer questions with questions all the time, hypocrite.  :lol:

Let's take just one of my suggestions: Impose a maximum wage.

How is that not "right now"? How is passing more gun control laws somehow more immediate? It certainly hasn't shown to be effective in reducing gun violence so far, so why do you think it will start being effective now?


Okay, my first question would be what specifically is it about the maximum wage that would reduce gun violence? Walk me through it.

What about an assault weapons ban, specifically, would reduce gun violence? Walk me through it.


Reinstate the ban that expired but expand the list of weapons.  I think the law that Clinton signed was far too anemic and had too many loopholes.  But you pair this with stricter regulations for yearly gun registration, universal background checks...it's about putting up more barriers to make it more difficult.  You'll never eliminate gun violence, but maybe we can at least dial back the 87 deaths a day by a dozen and go from there.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.