Things go boom

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You know what?  Fuck this shit.

I agree with you that the phrasing US/IRA relationship is highly inaccurate, and implies guilt on the part of all Americans.

As far as a piece of paper identifying me as Irish, it does, insofar as it means that I am allowed to legally reside in Ireland with no extra paperwork. Though, I do consider Irish Americans to be a semi-distinct group, since it has evolved on its own on this continent. They are ethnically Irish, and culturally Irish, but that culture is Americanized.

Simultaneously, if a black kid is born and raised Athlone, I consider him and Irish kid of African descent. If he was born in Ireland and then raised in Moscow, then, well, it probably becomes a mouthful at this point, so let's call him Yuri McDonald. National identity is not as simple as blood or citizenship. And I think what Pix was appreciating was that I'm an American of Irish descent who gets that the Irish pride that is fairly rampant here has a lot of stupidity and half-understanding behind it, and that probably has something to do that I do have close connections with Ireland.

It doesn't matter.

Alright.

[Junkenstein]

Ah.

I was actually reading the wrong fucking post.

Regarding the bold, It was a terrible way to phrase it. I was adding in shorthand trying to describe a fairly intricate dynamic.

I'll try again:

The view certain individuals hold and romanticise about acts of terror over here are fucked up.

Good time to SHUT UP again really.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You know what?  Fuck this shit.

I agree with you that the phrasing US/IRA relationship is highly inaccurate, and implies guilt on the part of all Americans.

As far as a piece of paper identifying me as Irish, it does, insofar as it means that I am allowed to legally reside in Ireland with no extra paperwork. Though, I do consider Irish Americans to be a semi-distinct group, since it has evolved on its own on this continent. They are ethnically Irish, and culturally Irish, but that culture is Americanized.

Simultaneously, if a black kid is born and raised Athlone, I consider him and Irish kid of African descent. If he was born in Ireland and then raised in Moscow, then, well, it probably becomes a mouthful at this point, so let's call him Yuri McDonald. National identity is not as simple as blood or citizenship. And I think what Pix was appreciating was that I'm an American of Irish descent who gets that the Irish pride that is fairly rampant here has a lot of stupidity and half-understanding behind it, and that probably has something to do that I do have close connections with Ireland.

It doesn't matter.

Alright.

Yeah, I'm pretty much done bending over backwards to accomodate peoples' sensitivities of that sort, because when you do, they create more things to go berserk over.  You can't fucking win, you can't break even, and you can't even have a conversation about it.

Radicalization is idiocy.  Absolute fucking idiocy.  On any level.

Which, amazingly enough, returns us to the topic at hand.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The view certain individuals hold and romanticise about acts of terror over here are fucked up.

That is a more accurate way of stating it.

Good time to SHUT UP again really.

There's never a good time to SHUT UP, because when you're dead, you'll SHUT UP LIKE HELL.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You know what?  Fuck this shit.

I agree with you that the phrasing US/IRA relationship is highly inaccurate, and implies guilt on the part of all Americans.

As far as a piece of paper identifying me as Irish, it does, insofar as it means that I am allowed to legally reside in Ireland with no extra paperwork. Though, I do consider Irish Americans to be a semi-distinct group, since it has evolved on its own on this continent. They are ethnically Irish, and culturally Irish, but that culture is Americanized.

Simultaneously, if a black kid is born and raised Athlone, I consider him and Irish kid of African descent. If he was born in Ireland and then raised in Moscow, then, well, it probably becomes a mouthful at this point, so let's call him Yuri McDonald. National identity is not as simple as blood or citizenship. And I think what Pix was appreciating was that I'm an American of Irish descent who gets that the Irish pride that is fairly rampant here has a lot of stupidity and half-understanding behind it, and that probably has something to do that I do have close connections with Ireland.

It doesn't matter.

Alright.

Yeah, I'm pretty much done bending over backwards to accomodate peoples' sensitivities of that sort, because when you do, they create more things to go berserk over.  You can't fucking win, you can't break even, and you can't even have a conversation about it.

Radicalization is idiocy.  Absolute fucking idiocy.  On any level.

Which, amazingly enough, returns us to the topic at hand.

I think that Pix realizes that radicalization is idiocy too, and I think that's what she was trying to get across.

I imagine that it would be fairly refreshing to an Irish Briton to hear an Irish Bostonian say that Bostonian funds going to the IRA is bullshit, especially where the Briton was directly impacted by it.

But anyway, radicalization.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think that Pix realizes that radicalization is idiocy too, and I think that's what she was trying to get across.

I don't know what she was trying to get across.  Communication stopped when my point was ignored in favor of telling me how I was WRONG about who gets to be Irish and who doesn't.

I don't care who gets to be Irish.  It had almost nothing to do with my point, because it certainly isn't ALL or MOST or even A GOOD CHUNK of Irish-Americans¹ that are contributing to the IRA.

Most Americans that donate to those scum are of Irish descent.  Most people of Irish descent do not donate.  There's probably a Venn diagram for this sort of thing.





¹  Deal with it.  I am no longer changing my language to appease others, unless I think I ought to. 

[Junkenstein]

But anyway, radicalization.

Could someone 'shop "RADICALIZATION" into the "the more you know" star? Pretty sure it'll work and will be useful in future.

It's also important to note that practically no-one donates and funds terror groups. Especially your local drug dealer and dodgy DVD guy. 

[Cain]

Terrorist groups have been providing poor returns this financial quarter.  I would advise investors to get into something more lucrative, like the jenkem trade.

[Cain]

Anyway, I see the police are now appealing for video footage of the event. 

No doubt they've been scouring the CCTV footage of the area, too.

[LMNO]

You'd think there would be a lot.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Funny, enough our tangent reminded me that I still haven't contacted Grandpa or Dad. Getting on that now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My apologies to Junk & Pixie for losing my cool.

I have articulated - far more calmly - my thoughts in another thread:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34453.0.html

[Junkenstein]

No apology needed on my part, it was badly worded after all.

[East Coast Hustle]

Anarchists don't do this kind of thing, they haven't since the depression.  And even if they still did a marathon is not a target they'd go for.  It'd be something connected to power.

This.

I'm betting right wing nutjob.

What makes this a more attractive target for a right winger than for an anarchist?

I mean, wouldn't a righty's ideology make this action seem loathsome for being an attack against his countrymen?  It doesnt really jive with any of the right propaganda ive ever read...barring ueber-nuts groups like white nationalists (ok no euphemisms...nazis) or abortion-bombers...

My point is, a crazy anarchist could be equally responsible as a crazy right-winger...both would be attacking a not-so-ideal target if we go off of their politics, and both would share the aspect of crazy...

A few things.  One is Anarchists don't bomb any longer, they tried it, it didn't work, and they don't do it.  If one went off the rails and decided to bomb something they'd at least have picked a police station or a local bank, not a street at the end of a marathon which is actually more work than the previous two due to heightened security.

As far as right winger we can kind of assume the person is uber nuts, since they're bombing people, so your "barring ueber nuts" bit doesn't really make sense.  Unless bombing is mainstream in the right wing.  Also, those people aren't his country men, they are unamerican liberal homo loving socialists who his country would be better off without.

I think we're both oversimplifying the right to some degree. Im excluding the "bad" parts of the right (those who would have done this to spite those liberal homo loving socialists), because i am of the right and wish not to lump myself in with such scum...

You seem to be excluding the "good" part of the right (those that would have chosen targets more similar to your loose-cannon anarchist and minimalised casualties to his compatriots) in order to disentangle anarchism.


Tl;dr i think we have similar motives for our arguments from different sides of the table...

I know I'm late to this thread. Can I safely assume that someone has already pointed out what a COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARDED thing this is to say?

[Junkenstein]

Relax, it's a Randroid Totse troll