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Safe Spaces?

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, April 18, 2013, 07:26:09 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

I don't understand this concept.  Safety isn't tied to a physical location.  In fact, it's damn near non-existant.

The only time I've seen this term before is when it has been used on message boards to say "Nobody gets to disagree with the group's heirarchs or you're banned"...IE, safety in terms of a non-challenging environment.

I am assuming that there is another meaning to this term, but I didn't want to fuck up Pixie's thread asking about it.
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Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

Safe Spaces generally refer to a place where certain topics and themes are not allowed. Usually forums or classrooms where it's stated or implied that whatever harsh reality isn't in effect and thus those within are safe from the consequences of whatever they are being exposed to the real world.
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Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

Usually I see the term when on sexual assault or abuse forums. It's a construct to allow people to feel safe enough to talk about what happened to them and how it affected them, etc.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 18, 2013, 07:28:34 PM
Safe Spaces generally refer to a place where certain topics and themes are not allowed. Usually forums or classrooms where it's stated or implied that whatever harsh reality isn't in effect and thus those within are safe from the consequences of whatever they are being exposed to the real world.

Oh.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

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A Safe Space can also be a place where it's okay to "X" and no one's going to give you shit for it, for example you could have a restaurant that is a Safe Space for breastfeeding.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 18, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
Usually I see the term when on sexual assault or abuse forums. It's a construct to allow people to feel safe enough to talk about what happened to them and how it affected them, etc.

I vaguely disapprove, but I'm not sure.  I need to think this one through for a bit.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 18, 2013, 07:31:30 PM
A Safe Space can also be a place where it's okay to "X" and no one's going to give you shit for it, for example you could have a restaurant that is a Safe Space for breastfeeding.

That's different.

But the example is fucked.  Where should it not be okay to breastfeed?

But I get what you mean.
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

For instance, I have a group of friends who call themselves 'plurals'. Their safe space is a community where they can talk about all the voices and people and whatever that live inside their head and share the body without being told they're guano loco and mocked for believing what they say is real.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 18, 2013, 07:32:51 PM
For instance, I have a group of friends who call themselves 'plurals'. Their safe space is a community where they can talk about all the voices and people and whatever that live inside their head and share the body without being told they're guano loco and mocked for believing what they say is real.

I'm sort of being led to the source of my disapproval, here.  Do please post another example or expand on the above.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 18, 2013, 07:31:30 PM
A Safe Space can also be a place where it's okay to "X" and no one's going to give you shit for it, for example you could have a restaurant that is a Safe Space for breastfeeding.

Your example makes more sense. I hadn't realized something like that would require a safe place. But now that I think about it, breastfeeding in public is pretty much taboo in places. OMGERD, BOOBS!
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I've always heard of "safe spaces" in the context that it is not a physical space, but a communication environment.

For example, a forum where it is not ok to be a man and post about getting emotional and crying would not be a safe space for that communication because people would mock and belittle that.

There are forums where being openly female or gay is not safe because people will harass you.

Safe spaces, in that context, exist both online and in face-to-face interactions, but they're not tied to a geographical location.
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Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

Another example I've encountered is people who've suffered from whatever the current term for multiple personality disorder is. They can give a voice to each splinter or alter and allow those sides to express themselves.

The overall idea is that feeling free to express this stuff and talk about it all will lead to healing. Once you've laid all the ugly parts out you can clean them off and figure out how it all fits together to make it easier to function and decide what you want from life.

What sometimes happens is that people become entrenched in the 'you-can't-criticize-me' part and expect everyone to take everything they say as gospel because they are special snowflakes.
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Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 18, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
I've always heard of "safe spaces" in the context that it is not a physical space, but a communication environment.

For example, a forum where it is not ok to be a man and post about getting emotional and crying would not be a safe space for that communication because people would mock and belittle that.

There are forums where being openly female or gay is not safe because people will harass you.

Safe spaces, in that context, exist both online and in face-to-face interactions, but they're not tied to a geographical location.

This, yes.
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Safe space is a term defined here, 

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Safe_space

in terms of the gaming http://www.forbes.com/sites/danieltack/2013/04/04/rize-up-gaming-seeks-to-create-safe-gaming-spaces/

http://www.gamingaswomen.com/posts/2013/01/finding-my-o-with-the-x-card/

http://www.gamingaswomen.com/posts/2012/06/sensitive-stuff-at-the-gaming-table/

in terms of internet online feminist spaces it's a term used for not allowing victim blaming, triggery material without TW's and without the "BOOBS OR GTFO" shit women get on the nets.

Basically it's a term for a space very much not like PD, in some ways, and ery like it in others (we don't tend to tolerate racism and other nasty shit and I've always felt I can speak up and tell someone to STFU and why)

The gaming as women links are most relevant to the tread I was in, and what kicked of my idea for expanding on that idea into a larp space and different strategies.

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I'm more of a Dangerous Spaces kinda-guy but I get that I'm fortunate in that I don't have any sorta traumatic shit that causes me to be unable to function to whatever unacceptable degree. Some people are and they go to safe spaces and it makes them feel more comfortable. I don't see this as a bad thing. But I have nowt to do with them.


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