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Pope says doing good is what matters, not what you believe

Started by Pergamos, May 25, 2013, 12:02:57 PM

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The Johnny

Quote from: Telarus on May 26, 2013, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 26, 2013, 05:18:50 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 26, 2013, 12:41:19 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on May 25, 2013, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 25, 2013, 07:38:51 PM
He'll say whatever he has to.

He doesn't have to say it though.  That's why I like him for saying it.  he's the pope, he can say whatever he likes and he certainly doesn't have to say soemthing that is contradictory to traditional Catholic dogma.

All of his charismatic posturing as being humble and poor, to me, are just bullshit PR work.

As long as the institution keeps working as it has been lately, he's just providing a pretty mask for a monster.

I don't like monsters.

Yes.

Although the statement that not all non-Catholics are going to hell is still pretty cool because it could change a lot of attitudes.

Which is why it was immediately contradicted by "a Vatican spokesman"....
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/05/24/vatican-representative-just-to-be-clear-atheists-are-still-going-to-hell/

:whack:  :whack: :whack: :whack: :whack: :whack: :whack: :whack: :whack:

Anyhow, if he's anything more than a living failure publicist's puppet he will either have to get some things happening or resign; being the leader or prominent figure of its institution obviously means that he trusts the vision and practice of the institution, so either he tolerates the status-quo, or he fights the abhorrent status-quo.
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The Johnny

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 26, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
Thank fuck we don't believe in hell, then, otherwise that would be pretty shitty for us  :lulz:

"But we're a religion of love and compassion, UNLIKE ISLAM"

Seriously, any of us in a different time, we'd be lined up to be torched at the stake.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

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Quote from: The Johnny on May 26, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 26, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
Thank fuck we don't believe in hell, then, otherwise that would be pretty shitty for us  :lulz:

"But we're a religion of love and compassion, UNLIKE ISLAM"

Seriously, any of us in a different time, we'd be lined up to be torched at the stake.
Considering my neighbors, that's still an outside possibility for me.

From my outsider position, I view all deities as somewhat true.
I view all the Abrahamic religions as noxious branches of the same fucked-up faith.

...I think Jehovah is a lying asshole, which explains a lot of his followers.

As above, so below.

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GrannySmith

Quote from: El Twid on May 25, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on May 25, 2013, 02:47:17 PM
I say PFffffFFT. "Doing good" is all that matters, YEAH RIGHT. Blaaablabalaablaaabalaaa  :argh!: :argh!: Fucking pedofile protecting, human-nature-hating, wealth-hoarding, nazi loving sons of bitches catholic priests and popes!!!!!!!!  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
But is Francis guilty of these things? Like did he ever shield a pedophile?
Of course i have no idea what francis did or did not do as a person, that's still to be revealed :p i see him just as a representative of a large religion which, for reasons including the aforementioned, annoys me, therefore the 'angry' faces ;) From Telarus' link i guess his statement was just a gaffe  :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 26, 2013, 06:24:58 AM
*regrets having used the one-pun-a-day allowance*
what's wrong with puns? :)
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 26, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
Thank fuck we don't believe in hell, then, otherwise that would be pretty shitty for us  :lulz:

Speak for yourself!  :argh!:
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Quote from: GrannySmith on May 26, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: El Twid on May 25, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on May 25, 2013, 02:47:17 PM
I say PFffffFFT. "Doing good" is all that matters, YEAH RIGHT. Blaaablabalaablaaabalaaa  :argh!: :argh!: Fucking pedofile protecting, human-nature-hating, wealth-hoarding, nazi loving sons of bitches catholic priests and popes!!!!!!!!  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
But is Francis guilty of these things? Like did he ever shield a pedophile?
Of course i have no idea what francis did or did not do as a person, that's still to be revealed :p i see him just as a representative of a large religion which, for reasons including the aforementioned, annoys me, therefore the 'angry' faces ;) From Telarus' link i guess his statement was just a gaffe  :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 26, 2013, 06:24:58 AM
*regrets having used the one-pun-a-day allowance*
what's wrong with puns? :)

Ok, you ASKED for it-And yes, I read it somewhere else...

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Faust

He could do a lot of good and bankrupt them, and insists they return to poverty, but I very much doubt the Mafioso crowd in the Vatican will allow him to get very far with that.
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Faust on May 26, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
He could do a lot of good and bankrupt them, and insists they return to poverty, but I very much doubt the Mafioso crowd in the Vatican will allow him to get very far with that.

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Faust

It's such a shame, he is (war crimes included) the best pope they have had in... I don't know... centuries?
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P3nT4gR4m

That's kind of like saying Jimmy Saville is the best paedophile we've had in years.   :kingmeh:

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Faust

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 28, 2013, 11:37:18 AM
That's kind of like saying Jimmy Saville is the best paedophile we've had in years.   :kingmeh:

yes, but considering this guy is probably surrounded by actual paedophiles and is giving their money away frivolously I'm finding it hard not to like him.
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The Johnny

Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 28, 2013, 11:37:18 AM
That's kind of like saying Jimmy Saville is the best paedophile we've had in years.   :kingmeh:

yes, but considering this guy is probably surrounded by actual paedophiles and is giving their money away frivolously I'm finding it hard not to like him.

money to what and whom???
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Faust

Quote from: The Johnny on May 28, 2013, 09:28:36 PM
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 28, 2013, 11:37:18 AM
That's kind of like saying Jimmy Saville is the best paedophile we've had in years.   :kingmeh:

yes, but considering this guy is probably surrounded by actual paedophiles and is giving their money away frivolously I'm finding it hard not to like him.

money to what and whom???
He turned the papal bedroom into a library, has donated any of the jewellery he found to the Vatican museum and has ordered the same for a load of paintings.

He's ordered a huge increase in spending on missionaries in third world countries (which may mean he is funding regimes in third world countries). It will be interesting to see how much they allow him to do with their funds, if he gets too generous I don't see him being pope for long.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
He turned the papal bedroom into a library, has donated any of the jewellery he found to the Vatican museum and has ordered the same for a load of paintings.

Poverty solved!
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Faust

Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 28, 2013, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
He turned the papal bedroom into a library, has donated any of the jewellery he found to the Vatican museum and has ordered the same for a load of paintings.

Poverty solved!
It amounts to nothing more then kicking gold off the mountain of treasure, but if he is serious about a "return to poverty" for the church he is talking about breaking the back on one of the most evil, entrenched organisations that has ever existed.

Like I said, he'll be bumped off if he gets to big for his boots.
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