SCOTUS deems DOMA unconstitutional!

[Salty]

Sounds to me like you'd rather live in a country half-slave, half-free.

I wonder what side he puts himself on. I wonder if thought about those words after they exited his mouth.

[Cain]

I think it's a reaction to the common made argument that people who are against gay marriage are the equivalent of people who thought owning slaves were OK - not equating them morally with slave owners (though some, more excitable gay marriage proponents have), but saying it's a matter of changing cultural mores which recognize legal equality should be awarded to X people.

Either that or early-onset dementia, I'm not certain.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So in a roundabout way he just compared his side to slave owners?

That's awesome!

[Cain]

No, it's conservatives going "liberals are the REAL slaveowners, because assertion" in response to being compared to slaveowners.

I think.

[Bruno]

It's an argument that asks the philsopgical question "I know you are, but what am I?"

Paul Ruben should get into politics.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

No, it's conservatives going "liberals are the REAL slaveowners, because assertion" in response to being compared to slaveowners.

I think.

So he's saying that nobody is free as long as those people over there can get married?

Either way, it's fabulously stupid.  My favorite thing about the "defense of marriage" concept is how fucking totally and utterly stupid the argument is. It is essentially the position that there is a limited quantity of things like marriage, love, freedom, etc. and if those people get to have some, there won't be enough left for us. It's the same mentality that thinks that if we allow immigrant children to receive educations, there won't be enough educating left for American-born kids, and then little Thad won't get to learn to read because some brown-skinned child took all the literacy away.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If gay marriage is legal, then I'll be forced to divorce my wife and start having hot sweaty sex with hairy men! To bring it back to the drugs, what's-his-butt was basically right; it's philosophically the same argument as "but if we legalize it everybody will run out and start doing it, and then society will go to hell in a handbasket!" It's just common sense. 

[Cain]

I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.

But Cain, if we let gay people get married, we'll run out of marriage!

[Suu]

I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.

But Cain, if we let gay people get married, we'll run out of marriage!

Run out of marriage! 

[Salty]

I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.

And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.

All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.

Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.

Alty,
never satisfied.

Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.

And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.

All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.

Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.

Alty,
never satisfied.

Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.

Yep. The shit is crazy.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think it's a reaction to the common made argument that people who are against gay marriage are the equivalent of people who thought owning slaves were OK - not equating them morally with slave owners (though some, more excitable gay marriage proponents have), but saying it's a matter of changing cultural mores which recognize legal equality should be awarded to X people.

Either that or early-onset dementia, I'm not certain.

I thought he was arguing the whole "If you say gays can marry, I'm enslaved, because my beliefs/religion/morals/invisible sky daddy says its badwrong".

What these people don't realize, or do realize but try to bullshit around is that they are still free to BELIEVE whatever crap they want to believe. No one is enslaving their beliefs. No one is forcing them to accept gay couples at Sunday service. You would think these people would be making the same argument as the removal of laws criminalizing fornication, but then since that would likely affect many of them directly....

Of course, there is one area where some people with these stone age beliefs will be 'enslaved'. If they run a wedding photography business, flower arrangement business, catering business or something like that, they won't be able to discriminate and refuse service to gays. Personally, I think we should let them, then stage huge protests and boycotts of their businesses. I mean, really, who wants some dour religious wacko providing a service at their wedding anyway?

Maybe once enough of those places went out of business and some churches started losing their 10% of the income there will be a new revelation

[Doktor Howl]

I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.

And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.

All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.

Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.

Alty,
never satisfied.

Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.

Sometimes you gotta make little steps...In this case, smacking down a nuisance law put in place by crazy people.

Then you can take the big steps.

[Doktor Howl]

Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.

THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.

My HOA Nazi is basically the same way.  She considers her time productively spent if she can close down a back yard barbeque, or fine people for having an oil spot the size of a quarter on their driveway, for any amount of time whatsoever.