I love Miley Cyrus

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My kids weren't into Hannah Montana... in fact, if I recall they hated her. I'm fortunate in escaping that fate.

They love the new Miley, though.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Great minds think alike.

Funny thing is, you're 169% right.  Sexually aggressive women are ALWAYS portrayed as evil.  ALWAYS.

I must be broken on the inside because I can't even be attracted to women who aren't sexually aggressive. Must be all those years as a teenager that I spent calling myself a Satanist.

Well, me too.  But that's not how it's marketed.  I find sexually passive people kinda creepy, come to think of it.

[Faust]

Now she has people all in a tizzy over this video (NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8

They're all "she's sending the message that young women should be sexually available!"

Because, um, all music videos ever don't send that message? 

No, what's pissing people off, though they can't identify it themselves, is that she is sending the message that she has sexual agency, and that the sexual energy of a young woman can be overwhelming and intimidating in its own right rather than merely an accessory for men.

Also it's a pretty great video.

I didn't care who she was before she grinded up against that sleazy guy who can't sing, and I don't particularly care now. I don't see what all the fuss is about...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Now she has people all in a tizzy over this video (NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8

They're all "she's sending the message that young women should be sexually available!"

Because, um, all music videos ever don't send that message? 

No, what's pissing people off, though they can't identify it themselves, is that she is sending the message that she has sexual agency, and that the sexual energy of a young woman can be overwhelming and intimidating in its own right rather than merely an accessory for men.

Also it's a pretty great video.

I didn't care who she was before she grinded up against that sleazy guy who can't sing, and I don't particularly care now. I don't see what all the fuss is about...

It's a rather grotesque and TITANIC troll.  And it's working beautifully.  I feel like I'm watching Michangelo at work.

[Faust]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

[AFK]

I don't really get the troll angle myself.  To me the VMA thing was just anothe one of the "shocking VMA performances" made to get people talking, like Madonna, Britney Spears, Madonna AND Britney Spears, Prince, etc.   I don't really get the hoopla either way.

But like I said, I have to at least hand it to her for not choosing to go down the usual Disney-star-turned-sex-pot road as so many others have. 

But then again, I also don't get the hoopla around Lady Gaga.  Maybe I'm too cynical when it comes to mainstream music.

ETA:  What Faust said.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

Not quite like this.  All of the above did the "LOOK HOW OUTRAGEOUS I AM" thing, sexuality-wise.  This kid did it in a manner that was grotesque; there was no real attempt at "sexy".  It got the desired results...A mediocre pop star is now the hottest thing on the planet, AND she pretty much wrecked the standard template "Female Pop Star™ forever.

Now she's basically flogging the dead horse for the extra "mutilate the body" points.  She's become OUTRAGE PORN, and the reactions out of people are fucking hysterical...All the way from grumpy old man "I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO TALK ABOUT THIS" to scandalized "THAT LITTLE WHORE" to weird shit, like "THAT SLEAZY DUDE MADE HER DO THIS WIFF HIS MIND CONTROL LAZOR PENIS".

What the fuck isn't to love?   

[AFK]

I dunno, I think that template was already on life support as the video-era has ended. 

The new game, from my viewpoint, is doing wacky stuff on YouTube and going viral.  So in that respect, I see her performance more as riding a wave that was already there. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I dunno, I think that template was already on life support as the video-era has ended. 

Except for 90% of all female pop singers ever, including now.

[Faust]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

Not quite like this.  All of the above did the "LOOK HOW OUTRAGEOUS I AM" thing, sexuality-wise.  This kid did it in a manner that was grotesque; there was no real attempt at "sexy".  It got the desired results...A mediocre pop star is now the hottest thing on the planet, AND she pretty much wrecked the standard template "Female Pop Star™ forever.

Now she's basically flogging the dead horse for the extra "mutilate the body" points.  She's become OUTRAGE PORN, and the reactions out of people are fucking hysterical...All the way from grumpy old man "I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO TALK ABOUT THIS" to scandalized "THAT LITTLE WHORE" to weird shit, like "THAT SLEAZY DUDE MADE HER DO THIS WIFF HIS MIND CONTROL LAZOR PENIS".

What the fuck isn't to love?   

Fair enough, I guess I just can't see the difference, probably need to be more in tune with what makes her different from Rhiannon and the other pop stars to get the Joke/appeal/scandal. Chalk that up to not having seen any music videos in over a decade.

[Don Coyote]

SHE WAS LICKING THE HEAD OF A SLEDGHAMMER!!!!

THAT TAKES DEDICATION!!!!!

ALSO TENDER BITS NEAR CHAIN FOR HANGING GIANT SMASHING BALL!!!!

MORE DEDICATION!!!!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Fair enough, I guess I just can't see the difference, probably need to be more in tune with what makes her different from Rhiannon and the other pop stars to get the Joke/appeal/scandal. Chalk that up to not having seen any music videos in over a decade.

I literally had no idea who she was before the VMA thing.  It's still funny. 

Unless it's too mainstream or something, eh?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

They did some version or another. This particular iteration is different mostly because she isn't bothering with the glamorous, going straight to uncomfortably pervy with men only existing as props if they exist at all, in a complete reversal of the popstar double standard, and it's working. It's upsetting people, but they aren't ignoring her, they're STARING at her, which is what she wanted.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Now she has people all in a tizzy over this video (NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8

They're all "she's sending the message that young women should be sexually available!"

Because, um, all music videos ever don't send that message? 

No, what's pissing people off, though they can't identify it themselves, is that she is sending the message that she has sexual agency, and that the sexual energy of a young woman can be overwhelming and intimidating in its own right rather than merely an accessory for men.

Also it's a pretty great video.

I didn't care who she was before she grinded up against that sleazy guy who can't sing, and I don't particularly care now. I don't see what all the fuss is about...

It's a rather grotesque and TITANIC troll.  And it's working beautifully.  I feel like I'm watching Michangelo at work.

Yeah, this kid is good. And she's only 20.

She upstaged LADY GAGA, FFS. People are all like, why can't you be demure and classy like Lady Gaga?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, this kid is good. And she's only 20.

She upstaged LADY GAGA, FFS. People are all like, why can't you be demure and classy like Lady Gaga?

And she did it BADLY.  DELIBERATELY badly.

Gaga is probably hiring a hit man as we speak.