Why Dirty Old Uncle Roger Opposes Drug Use and Shut Up.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

With crochet, I get an end product for the money I spent, not an ashtray full of roaches, I also have a hobby that lets me hang out with loads of other women of varying age ranges and that's kind of fun. With LARP and RPG I get to be an asshat amongst friends and it's generally cheaper log term after you've spent the money on books and kit.

the pagan stuff was pretty pointless. 

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

you also find that 80%+ of the people you used to do drugs with weren't really friends at all, just someone to score from/ get high with. Sobering up (for me) was some lonely shit.

That is because, I think, as people use drugs more often, the drugs replace people as the priority.

Which is basically the root problem I was talking about in the OP.

Yep. Was less of an issue with those friends I had mutual hobbies that weren't blazing a phat one with. Even the stoners.

Also, ever been to  dance party where everyone is doing coke? There's not many of your friends actually dancing. They are all in the basement huddled in 2's or 3's doing the nose hoover thing.

The only friends I have from those old days are the people I used to do pagan-y things with or LARPers and other assorted nerds.

I absolutely cannot stand cokeheads. Awful, boring, intolerable people who think  they're really interesting and smart but are actually just the worst kind of stuffed-shirt drones.

I'm already opinionated and gobby. I don't need to add asshole to that list. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So the supposed benefits aren't worth the handicap. Like cutting off a right breast to pull a bowstring better, it seems sensible at first but then there's the realization it sets everything off balance.

And you can always SCIENCE and then accidentally a CROSSBOW, and then the cutting off bit is TOTALLY unnecessary.

Right. And I SCIENCE best (For Great Justice) when my HEAD is /screwed on straight/.

Yep.  Eureka moments are overrated, and downplay the work involved.  Acid MIGHT give you results (maybe, probably not), work WILL, especially in the sciences.

Eureka moments are usually the result of months or years of working on and thinking about something, anyway; they don't come out of the blue, they're the culmination of a lot of hard (and lucid) work. That is not to say that altered perspectives cannot be occasionally useful; in fact, they are almost necessary for creative research to be done. However, altered perspectives aren't limited to drug use; on the contrary, we should be striving to experience them all the time, under our own power.

Well, that's sort of what I was getting at.  You have to put the sweat in...This will garner far better results than praying to the LSD Gods.

Oh god, yes. The people who seek truth or epiphany through drugs are, IMO, simply using drugs as an excuse to avoid WORK, while pretending to do something. "Seeking enlightenment". No, dude, you're completely fucking off, don't pretend you're not just because you're high while you're doing it. There's a reason why all those deep and meaningful ideas you had while high just sound retarded if you record them and then review them when you're sober; it's because they are.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

[LMNO]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

You mean I have to find a new hobby?!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

You mean I have to find a new hobby?!

[Lord Cataplanga]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

I hadn't considered the benefits of creativity and stimulating inteligence and socialization for their own sake. A strange mistake to make, certainly. Thanks for bringing it up.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

I hadn't considered the benefits of creativity and stimulating inteligence and socialization for their own sake. A strange mistake to make, certainly. Thanks for bringing it up.

Happy to be useful!

I have been really surprised lately at how much "useless" things I do in my spare time have contributed meaningfully to my life.

[Reginald Ret]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

You mean I have to find a new hobby?!

Masturbation builds muscles and sexual stamina (if you do it right), I hate to be the one to tell you this, but wankers are productive members (teehee) of society.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I particularly liked McGrupp's emphasis on the cost of drug use being fundamentally an oportunity cost. That is, drugs themselves aren't bad, but there are so many better things you could be doing with your time.

You could say that same thing about many hobbies, though, unless your hobby is fighting crime or something.

I disagree almost completely with your last sentence. Unless your hobby is laying around watching porn and masturbating, most likely it involves either a social or a creative element, possibly both, which stimulate intelligence and forge connections with other people, both of which are constructive uses of time. Some hobbies also result in a salable product or a useful/marketable skill. Hobbies are rarely useless or detrimental, whereas doing drugs is typically pretty useless at best.

You mean I have to find a new hobby?!

Masturbation builds muscles and sexual stamina (if you do it right), I hate to be the one to tell you this, but wankers are productive members (teehee) of society.

Oh, I'm a big proponent of masturbation! I think everyone should do it once a day.

But watching porn and masturbating as a hobby, maybe not.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

MAKING porn as a hobby, on the other hand...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

MAKING porn as a hobby, on the other hand...

Well, it IS creative.

But that also might stimulate DOUR to post another rant, an action which I wholeheartedly support.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

MAKING porn as a hobby, on the other hand...

And then we can staple, "HI!  I'M A COMMODITY!" to our faces, and go running off into the future!

[AFK]

Uh, I haven't made any posts about policy.

Sure as hell did.  That weird definition of dependency, for example.

Which I am not going to argue about.

The premise of this fucking thread was simple.  But it had to be hammered back into the standard form, I see.

That's not policy,  That is one of the four stages of drug addiction, which is a clinical idea, not a policy idea.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Uh, I haven't made any posts about policy.

Sure as hell did.  That weird definition of dependency, for example.

Which I am not going to argue about.

The premise of this fucking thread was simple.  But it had to be hammered back into the standard form, I see.

That's not policy,  That is one of the four stages of drug addiction, which is a clinical idea, not a policy idea.