History Question: What is the oldest permanent colonial settlement in the US?

[Sita]

I was taught St Augustine was the oldest in Florida, but that Plymouth was oldest for the colonies.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I was taught St Augustine was the oldest in Florida, but that Plymouth was oldest for the colonies.

Jamestown is older. Plymouth gets more attention because of Thanksgiving.

ETA: well, a bit of a clarification. Jamestown was a permanent English settlement that was abandoned for a bit. Plymouth was a continuous settlement.

[Suu]

St. Augustine was founded in 1565.

Newfoundland was claimed for the English in 1585, and then Jamestown was not founded until 1607. Plymouth was 1620.  Santa Fe was actually 1610 and older than Plymouth. Roger is actually responsible for the Grand Canyon as a direct result of the Big Bang in 1302.



But no really, it's St. Augustine. Apparently, I blew brains last night with that, and just blew a lot of yours. I have discovered a serious flaw in the way we teach history in this nation, and that is the Northeast tends to ignore Spanish colonization of the Americas, other than Cortez was mean and killed the Aztecs. But we don't talk about what the Pilgrims did to the Wampanoags and Narragansetts.

[Cain]

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[Suu]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

[East Coast Hustle]

Castine (where I lived in Maine) has been continuously settled since 1613. I believe it's the oldest permanent settlement in New England, but it was originally settled by the French so it doesn't really count for History(tm).

[Suu]

Castine (where I lived in Maine) has been continuously settled since 1613. I believe it's the oldest permanent settlement in New England, but it was originally settled by the French so it doesn't really count for History(tm).

True story: The French get ignored a hell of a lot more than the Spanish. Except for the Louisiana Purchase, and Rochambeau's march to Yorktown.

edit: Oh shit, it was the capital of Acadia. Way cool. Talk about a lost colony as a whole. I don't know much about it, other than that's where a lot of the Louisiana French got their origins from once the English went in and tried to kill them all.

Gosh, those English were nice folks.

[East Coast Hustle]

It doesn't help that the name of the place changed several times. It's locally famous for being one of the only places in that part of the country that's ever had 4 different nations fly their flag over it, as some Dutch guy took the peninsula briefly at one point.

[Suu]

It doesn't help that the name of the place changed several times. It's locally famous for being one of the only places in that part of the country that's ever had 4 different nations fly their flag over it, as some Dutch guy took the peninsula briefly at one point.

The subtle nuances of colonial landgrab. 

[Sita]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

Surprisingly the history about my own state was rarely touched on while I was in school I never learned any of that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

Surprisingly the history about my own state was rarely touched on while I was in school I never learned any of that.

There's often a reason for that.  In Illinois, they don't talk about the Blackhawk War much. 

[Suu]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

Surprisingly the history about my own state was rarely touched on while I was in school I never learned any of that.

Florida History was mandatory for us in 4th Grade, 5th Grade, 8th Grade (concurrent with American History), and 11th Grade (concurrent with American History.) But I also grew up in Liberal Tampa Bay pre-NCLB. Most school districts from what I understand were not as fortunate as Hillsborough and Pinellas County, where Penny for Pinellas pays for keeping the schools in pretty good shape.

[Suu]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

Surprisingly the history about my own state was rarely touched on while I was in school I never learned any of that.

There's often a reason for that.  In Illinois, they don't talk about the Blackhawk War much. 

And King Philip's War in RI.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I chose wrong, basing my choice essentially on the availability heuristic of having heard Jamestown mentioned as an early settlement so many times. I'm actually impressed with myself for remembering that much, given that it is a topic that I literally do not give a single fuck about.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was taught St Augustine was the oldest in Florida, but that Plymouth was oldest for the colonies.

Jamestown is older. Plymouth gets more attention because of Thanksgiving.

ETA: well, a bit of a clarification. Jamestown was a permanent English settlement that was abandoned for a bit. Plymouth was a continuous settlement.

And apparently the first settlement was in Pensacola. Weird.