History Question: What is the oldest permanent colonial settlement in the US?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

We had a metric fuckton of Texas history in school, the teachers were Hank Hill reverent about the shit - kind of like the way you see Texas flags all over the place. (When I lived in Mass, it took me awhile to even find out what the state flag looked like.) Actually, Texas history IS pretty interesting since so many of those people were BATSHIT INSANE, but that gets played down a lot in school. 

I pulled Jamestown out of my ass and then googled before I read the thread. Yeah, I know the Spanish explorers were here way before that, but I didn't really think of them in terms of "permanent settlement." More like "loot and scoot". But yeah, should have remembered the missions, etc. That would have been a clue.

I don't think I even knew what our flag looked like until I got to high school.

That's because our flag sucks.

Well, yeah, we're the one state with a Native on our flag and no Natives. Except out by Natick, I think.

All the Wampanoags are on the South Shore. You know, around Plymouth, where they lived.

They're still there?

[Sita]

WASPs dominate understanding of history!

No, I know what you're saying.  But in some ways, you have to admit, the Spanish getting ignored is entirely unsurprising.

Unless you grow up in Florida, then half of your state history is Spanish colonialism, rather than English. Though the English did eventually take St. Augustine and played quite a large part in Florida as well. Florida history is actually REALLY interesting, considering how the state is looked upon now. For example, it's the Cross of Burgundy in the state flag, NOT the Confederate Battle Flag like the other southern states. And technically the first settlement in Florida was Fort Caroline which is now Jacksonville. It was by French Huguenots who got annihilated by the Spanish. So it's a lost settlement, like Roanoke, but we know what happened to them.

Surprisingly the history about my own state was rarely touched on while I was in school I never learned any of that.

Florida History was mandatory for us in 4th Grade, 5th Grade, 8th Grade (concurrent with American History), and 11th Grade (concurrent with American History.) But I also grew up in Liberal Tampa Bay pre-NCLB. Most school districts from what I understand were not as fortunate as Hillsborough and Pinellas County, where Penny for Pinellas pays for keeping the schools in pretty good shape.

I grew up in Tampa as well (c/o '99 here). If we had Florida history my teachers sucked at teaching it.

C/O 2000, here. Where the fuck did you go? Blake?

Actually did go to Blake in 7th grade (when it was just a 7th grade center). 8th was at Adams. High school was at TBT (9-11) and Leto for senior year.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

We had a metric fuckton of Texas history in school, the teachers were Hank Hill reverent about the shit - kind of like the way you see Texas flags all over the place. (When I lived in Mass, it took me awhile to even find out what the state flag looked like.) Actually, Texas history IS pretty interesting since so many of those people were BATSHIT INSANE, but that gets played down a lot in school. 

I pulled Jamestown out of my ass and then googled before I read the thread. Yeah, I know the Spanish explorers were here way before that, but I didn't really think of them in terms of "permanent settlement." More like "loot and scoot". But yeah, should have remembered the missions, etc. That would have been a clue.

I don't think I even knew what our flag looked like until I got to high school.

That's because our flag sucks.

Well, yeah, we're the one state with a Native on our flag and no Natives. Except out by Natick, I think.

All the Wampanoags are on the South Shore. You know, around Plymouth, where they lived.

They're still there?

IIRC, there was about five of them until they changed the blood quantum rule to 1/16 or something.

And I thought the Mass flag was WAY cooler than the Texas flag, which looks like a short bus version of the stars and stripes.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

The Abanaque (or however it's spelled) are still trying to get recognition as a thing, there's a bunch of them living in Massachusetts too.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

We had a metric fuckton of Texas history in school, the teachers were Hank Hill reverent about the shit - kind of like the way you see Texas flags all over the place. (When I lived in Mass, it took me awhile to even find out what the state flag looked like.) Actually, Texas history IS pretty interesting since so many of those people were BATSHIT INSANE, but that gets played down a lot in school. 

I pulled Jamestown out of my ass and then googled before I read the thread. Yeah, I know the Spanish explorers were here way before that, but I didn't really think of them in terms of "permanent settlement." More like "loot and scoot". But yeah, should have remembered the missions, etc. That would have been a clue.

I don't think I even knew what our flag looked like until I got to high school.

That's because our flag sucks.

Well, yeah, we're the one state with a Native on our flag and no Natives. Except out by Natick, I think.

All the Wampanoags are on the South Shore. You know, around Plymouth, where they lived.

They're still there?

IIRC, there was about five of them until they changed the blood quantum rule to 1/16 or something.

And I thought the Mass flag was WAY cooler than the Texas flag, which looks like a short bus version of the stars and stripes.

I gotta admit, I'm not terribly fond of bland flags. When I was in high school, I hung the Union Flag up in my room (because of Iron Maiden concert) and dad told me I now had to get the Tricolour. I said I wouldn't because it was a boring looking flag.

Twid,
Has the flag with the coats of arms of the 4 provinces of Ireland instead.

ETA: I consider the Stars and Stripes to not only be boring but also ugly. Stars and bars don't tickle my pickle, as it were. I do consider the Soviet flag aesthetically pleasing, but also boring.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The Abanaque (or however it's spelled) are still trying to get recognition as a thing, there's a bunch of them living in Massachusetts too.

We hide them well, I guess.

Last time I saw people who represented Natives in the flesh was when they were protesting the fact that it was still technically illegal for them to be on Boston Common.

[Suu]

The Abanaque (or however it's spelled) are still trying to get recognition as a thing, there's a bunch of them living in Massachusetts too.

We hide them well, I guess.

Last time I saw people who represented Natives in the flesh was when they were protesting the fact that it was still technically illegal for them to be on Boston Common.

Abenaki. That was the larger tribe that lived in the Upper Three. All his archaeological work in VT was on Abenaki sites, but I think one site he did have in Central MA may have been also.

I'm still very confused as to how the Narragansetts work in RI.  I was told that they denounced their tribal status and have no reservation, but they do have a reservation, but they can't have anything tax-free or a casino because it's against state law. Either way, they pissed off someone or vice versa. It's complex and seems rather nasty. The whole 2 members of the Narragansett tribe I have met also seemed like miserable human beings and didn't strike me at all like previous natives I have met in the Seminole, Shinnecock, and Wampanoag tribes. Probably because RI makes them so fucking miserable. All I did was get excited that I had met a couple from the local tribe, and they got really bitchy toward me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Abanaque (or however it's spelled) are still trying to get recognition as a thing, there's a bunch of them living in Massachusetts too.

We hide them well, I guess.

Last time I saw people who represented Natives in the flesh was when they were protesting the fact that it was still technically illegal for them to be on Boston Common.

Abenaki. That was the larger tribe that lived in the Upper Three. All his archaeological work in VT was on Abenaki sites, but I think one site he did have in Central MA may have been also.

I'm still very confused as to how the Narragansetts work in RI.  I was told that they denounced their tribal status and have no reservation, but they do have a reservation, but they can't have anything tax-free or a casino because it's against state law. Either way, they pissed off someone or vice versa. It's complex and seems rather nasty. The whole 2 members of the Narragansett tribe I have met also seemed like miserable human beings and didn't strike me at all like previous natives I have met in the Seminole, Shinnecock, and Wampanoag tribes. Probably because RI makes them so fucking miserable. All I did was get excited that I had met a couple from the local tribe, and they got really bitchy toward me.

Some people have a lower threshold than others for being treated like novelties by white people, I guess.

[Suu]

The Abanaque (or however it's spelled) are still trying to get recognition as a thing, there's a bunch of them living in Massachusetts too.

We hide them well, I guess.

Last time I saw people who represented Natives in the flesh was when they were protesting the fact that it was still technically illegal for them to be on Boston Common.

Abenaki. That was the larger tribe that lived in the Upper Three. All his archaeological work in VT was on Abenaki sites, but I think one site he did have in Central MA may have been also.

I'm still very confused as to how the Narragansetts work in RI.  I was told that they denounced their tribal status and have no reservation, but they do have a reservation, but they can't have anything tax-free or a casino because it's against state law. Either way, they pissed off someone or vice versa. It's complex and seems rather nasty. The whole 2 members of the Narragansett tribe I have met also seemed like miserable human beings and didn't strike me at all like previous natives I have met in the Seminole, Shinnecock, and Wampanoag tribes. Probably because RI makes them so fucking miserable. All I did was get excited that I had met a couple from the local tribe, and they got really bitchy toward me.

Some people have a lower threshold than others for being treated like novelties by white people, I guess.

Well, when you are introduced to them as, "These are so and so, who are somebody so and so important from the Narragansett tribe, and this is Suu, she is new to the area from Florida" did they expect me to not care? I had lived here for like, a month at the time. I'm meeting new and exciting people and cultures, I had no idea of the bullshit the poor tribe goes through, so excuse me. Everybody has bad days, which is what I chalked it up to be.