Tobacco/Weed split thread.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I thought this was about the risks of pot relative to alcohol. More specifically to the relative risks of driving while impaired, or not any potential correlations between potheads being less likely to actually drive than drunks.

It was, as a matter of fact. I am requesting a thread split; can a mod please split out all of the posts pertaining to the risk of smoking marijuana relative to the risk of smoking tobacco?

Which might make an interesting thread on its own anyway.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I thought this was about the risks of pot relative to alcohol. More specifically to the relative risks of driving while impaired, or not any potential correlations between potheads being less likely to actually drive than drunks.

It was, as a matter of fact. I am requesting a thread split; can a mod please split out all of the posts pertaining to the risk of smoking marijuana relative to the risk of smoking tobacco?

Which might make an interesting thread on its own anyway.

Sure, it seems potentially worth discussing.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I thought this was about the risks of pot relative to alcohol. More specifically to the relative risks of driving while impaired, or not any potential correlations between potheads being less likely to actually drive than drunks.

It was, as a matter of fact. I am requesting a thread split; can a mod please split out all of the posts pertaining to the risk of smoking marijuana relative to the risk of smoking tobacco?

Which might make an interesting thread on its own anyway.

Sure, it seems potentially worth discussing.

The past couple of lectures and labs in bio seem to have revolved around biochem. I'm a bit intrigued at this point, tbh.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Like a great many of STEM topics, they've become somehow easier for me to understand and pay attention to in college as opposed to high school when I wasted tax dollars.

Seriously, the only things I remember from Chemistry class was Mr. Russell shouting at me to stop doing the Devil's work (I was drawing occultist symbols instead of listening), and being miserable there the day after a Black Sabbath concert.

And possibly my best friend's "ex" from Jr. High seemingly taking an interest in my preferred wastes of time, but that just might have been male misinterpretation of female motives.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Marijuana is great for when you're obsessing on some utter bullshit (like spending every waking hour shitting up forum threads) and you need to get sane again.

[AFK]

No, actually that is pretty horrible advice.  I suggest you do more homework.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think it's great advice. I suggest you go smoke a bowl.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It would probably chill him out, and it might even make him more friendly.

[Reginald Ret]

I hear magic mushrooms have such an effect. Seeing the world from a new perspective apparently makes people more tolerant and thus nicer.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I hear magic mushrooms have such an effect. Seeing the world from a new perspective apparently makes people more tolerant and thus nicer.

Ohhhh I don't know that mushrooms or any psychedelic would be a good idea for him. They tend to temporarily remove your inner filters and that could result in a very bad trip indeed.

[Pæs]

Here is another primary source that talks about the relative risks of marijuana compared to tobacco:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1525-1497.2004.40081.x/full

Objective: Although a number of studies have examined the respiratory impact of marijuana smoking, such studies have generally used convenience samples of marijuana and tobacco users. The current study examined respiratory effects of marijuana and tobacco use in a nationally representative sample while controlling for age, gender, and current asthma.

Design: Analysis of the nationally representative third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III).

Setting: U.S. households.

Participants: A total of 6,728 adults age 20 to 59 who completed the drug, tobacco, and health sections of the NHANES III questionnaire in 1988 and 1994. Current marijuana use was defined as self-reported 100+ lifetime use and at least 1 day of use in the past month.

Measurements and Main Results: Self-reported respiratory symptoms included chronic bronchitis, frequent phlegm, shortness of breath, frequent wheezing, chest sounds without a cold, and pneumonia. A medical exam also provided an overall chest finding and a measure of reduced pulmonary functioning. Marijuana use was associated with respiratory symptoms of chronic bronchitis (P=.02), coughing on most days (P=.001), phlegm production (P=.0005), wheezing (P<.0001), and chest sounds without a cold (P=.02).

Conclusion: The impact of marijuana smoking on respiratory health has some significant similarities to that of tobacco smoking. Efforts to prevent and reduce marijuana use, such as advising patients to quit and providing referrals for support and assistance, may have substantial public health benefits associated with decreased respiratory health problems.

The total sample consisted of 6,728 individuals: 4,789 nonsmokers, 1,525 tobacco-only smokers, and 414 marijuana smokers (320 also smoked tobacco).

So, how is concurrent use of tobacco controlled for if such a high percentage of marijuana users in this sample are also tobacco users?

Why is anyone even still asking him to address the problematic parts of his weak token gestures towards providing evidence?
Oh, a problem with my source. That's too hard to address, but I'ma maintain the belief anyway.

[Pæs]

I hear magic mushrooms have such an effect. Seeing the world from a new perspective apparently makes people more tolerant and thus nicer.

Ohhhh I don't know that mushrooms or any psychedelic would be a good idea for him. They tend to temporarily remove your inner filters and that could result in a very bad trip indeed.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I hear magic mushrooms have such an effect. Seeing the world from a new perspective apparently makes people more tolerant and thus nicer.

Ohhhh I don't know that mushrooms or any psychedelic would be a good idea for him. They tend to temporarily remove your inner filters and that could result in a very bad trip indeed.

YEP. 

[Pæs]

research has shown that smoking ONE marijuana joint has the same impact on an individual's large lung airways as smoking 16 tobacco cigarettes

So here they're citing Tashkin, D.P., Calvarese, B.M., Simmons, M.S., & Shapiro, B.J. (1980). Respiratory status of seventy-four habitual marijuana smokers.  Chest, 78(5), 699-706

Same person in 2013 found that "Regular smoking of marijuana by itself causes visible and microscopic injury to the large airways that is consistently associated with an increased likelihood of symptoms of chronic bronchitis that subside after cessation of use. On the other hand, habitual use of marijuana alone does not appear to lead to significant abnormalities in lung function when assessed either cross-sectionally or longitudinally, except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance."
(Donald P. Tashkin "Effects of Marijuana Smoking on the Lung", Annals of the American Thoracic Society, Vol. 10, No. 3 (2013), pp. 239-247.)

And in the paper cited as evidence that one 1 = 16 cigarettes as far as lung impact goes, Tashkin only actually referred to airway resistance comparable to 16 cigarettes and in that and future papers dismissed the significance of this change. NORML (lol, reputable sources) claim that Tashkin has specifically disavowed the notion that 1 joint = 16 cigarettes.

I don't have a stake in what happens with weed either way, I don't particularly care, but are you serious with the "WEED MYTHS BUSTED" page that looks like it was made in the 90s and is made of misrepresented studies?

[Telarus]

research has shown that smoking ONE marijuana joint has the same impact on an individual's large lung airways as smoking 16 tobacco cigarettes

So here they're citing Tashkin, D.P., Calvarese, B.M., Simmons, M.S., & Shapiro, B.J. (1980). Respiratory status of seventy-four habitual marijuana smokers.  Chest, 78(5), 699-706

Same person in 2013 found that "Regular smoking of marijuana by itself causes visible and microscopic injury to the large airways that is consistently associated with an increased likelihood of symptoms of chronic bronchitis that subside after cessation of use. On the other hand, habitual use of marijuana alone does not appear to lead to significant abnormalities in lung function when assessed either cross-sectionally or longitudinally, except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance."
(Donald P. Tashkin "Effects of Marijuana Smoking on the Lung", Annals of the American Thoracic Society, Vol. 10, No. 3 (2013), pp. 239-247.)

And in the paper cited as evidence that one 1 = 16 cigarettes as far as lung impact goes, Tashkin only actually referred to airway resistance comparable to 16 cigarettes and in that and future papers dismissed the significance of this change. NORML (lol, reputable sources) claim that Tashkin has specifically disavowed the notion that 1 joint = 16 cigarettes.

I don't have a stake in what happens with weed either way, I don't particularly care, but are you serious with the "WEED MYTHS BUSTED" page that looks like it was made in the 90s and is made of misrepresented studies?

Ah, that was the Taskin update I was trying to remember. Thanks Paes.