Thread is now about Holist.

[Dildo Argentino]

It's not you; it's everyone else in the world.  God forbid you consider otherwise, even for a moment.

But that's the thing, my good man! It's just you, and a few of your cronies, and nobody else.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

I am not convinced you even understand my concepts of moral relativity, so perhaps it would be best for you not to approach them.

Newsfeed?

Absolutely.

Done, as an endorsement.

[LMNO]

Oh, and I'd be happy to see a citation that defines "authenticity¹" in the manner you claim. 

If you have one, and I'm wrong, then I'll cop to it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not you; it's everyone else in the world.  God forbid you consider otherwise, even for a moment.

But that's the thing, my good man! It's just you, and a few of your cronies, and nobody else.

Well, that's why you're here.  To save everyone from me and my cronies.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

Balls.  Amy Winehouse was the very model of self-actualization.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, and I'd be happy to see a citation that defines "authenticity¹" in the manner you claim. 

If you have one, and I'm wrong, then I'll cop to it.

Oh, this should be good.

[East Coast Hustle]

Holist, I'm gonna take one more crack at this before deciding whether or not to write you off as a last cause:

every time this happens, your position (regardless of the topic) ends up boiling down to "it doesn't matter that every single one of you took what I wrote in a particular way, I'm telling you that's not what I actually meant" and then you get butthurt that everyone won't just take your word that what you meant isn't what you said. And you feel that we treat you unfairly by responding to what we perceive in your communications rather than what you (apparently) actually mean to convey. And yet, you don't seem to grasp the part where it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that people are understanding you the way you wish to be understood.

Think on this before you respond please.

[LMNO]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

Balls.  Amy Winehouse was the very model of self-actualization.

[Dildo Argentino]

So it actually IS all about holist.  Again.

Hot damn! I'm sorry! 

[East Coast Hustle]

It's not you; it's everyone else in the world.  God forbid you consider otherwise, even for a moment.

But that's the thing, my good man! It's just you, and a few of your cronies, and nobody else.

And then you say shit like this. Nobody here is anybody else's crony and intimating that is no way to go about winning hearts and minds. And, frankly, if you really don't care that nobody here likes you then why are you here?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

Balls.  Amy Winehouse was the very model of self-actualization.

She's been drug free for 27 months now, and I think that's great.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not you; it's everyone else in the world.  God forbid you consider otherwise, even for a moment.

But that's the thing, my good man! It's just you, and a few of your cronies, and nobody else.

And then you say shit like this. Nobody here is anybody else's crony and intimating that is no way to go about winning hearts and minds. And, frankly, if you really don't care that nobody here likes you then why are you here?

To save you alll from me, of course.

[Dildo Argentino]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

I am not convinced you even understand my concepts of moral relativity, so perhaps it would be best for you not to approach them.

Valid point. I would prefer to say "normative example". BEing reasonably mature and flexible and emotionally robust is not an indispensable requirement, but it certainly helps (without it, it often all ends in tears).

I do think that psychologically fucked up people almost always tend to make authentic music when their music is about their psychological imperfections. Which implies that, while they may be a long way away from becoming a robust and mature human being, and indeed some may never make it, the music tends to be authentic when it aids self-knowledge.

Newsfeed?

Absolutely.

[Dildo Argentino]

Wait... so you're saying authenticity¹ in music is the domain only of the robust, actualised, mature, flexible personality-d artist?


Because there are a shit-ton of viable artists, and entire genres, wherein the artist is a fucking psychological trainwreck.

I am not convinced you even understand my concepts of moral relativity, so perhaps it would be best for you not to approach them.

Newsfeed?

Absolutely.

Done, as an endorsement.

Fame! At last!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I do think that psychologically fucked up people almost always tend to make authentic music when their music is about their psychological imperfections. Which implies that, while they may be a long way away from becoming a robust and mature human being, and indeed some may never make it, the music tends to be authentic when it aids self-knowledge.

What the fuck does that even MEAN?