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The Good Reverend Roger

January 08, 2014, 05:15:03 AM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Ben Shapiro

#1
January 08, 2014, 05:58:20 AM
Nail meets fedora.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#2
January 08, 2014, 06:26:46 AM
Yes, pretty much.

My first day of analytical argument, I pissed three people off, and they haven't even posted their own arguments yet.

Sweet.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

hooplala

#3
January 08, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
It saddens me that fedoras got tied into this whole atheist/MRA shit.  Especially since most people seem to mean "trilby" when they say "fedora".
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

LMNO

#4
January 08, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
I KNOW, RITE?

THOSE FUCKING TRILBY-WEARING MOTHERFUCKERS, BRINGING DOWN FEDORAS WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A HOW-DO-YOU-DO!

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#5
January 08, 2014, 06:38:51 PM
This is the post I made that's upsetting people:

QuoteISSUE: Should Atheists treat the beliefs of religious people with respect?

CONCLUSION: Yes, Atheists should treat the beliefs of religious people with respect.

PREMISES:

    It makes sense to treat others as one would like to be treated.
    Ridicule, contempt, and other forms of disrespect are ineffective at changing minds or earning support.
    Tolerance and respect bring people together over other shared values.
    Treating an idea or belief with respect is not an indication of agreement, but of civility.
    Even when respect is not reciprocated, taking the high road leaves outside or undecided observers with a better impression of 
    one's position.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

LMNO

#6
January 08, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
I know we're going down this rabbit hole again, but can "respect" mean "not talking about it until it directly affects an issue at hand"?

The Good Reverend Roger

#7
January 08, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 08, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
I know we're going down this rabbit hole again, but can "respect" mean "not talking about it until it directly affects an issue at hand"?

Sure.  I find that perfectly respectful.

On the other hand, having my facebook feed stuffed with either Baby Jebus or OMG SKY FAIRIES is not only offensive, it's tiresome, and I just stop listening.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#8
January 08, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:38:51 PM
This is the post I made that's upsetting people:

QuoteISSUE: Should Atheists treat the beliefs of religious people with respect?

CONCLUSION: Yes, Atheists should treat the beliefs of religious people with respect.

PREMISES:

    It makes sense to treat others as one would like to be treated.
    Ridicule, contempt, and other forms of disrespect are ineffective at changing minds or earning support.
    Tolerance and respect bring people together over other shared values.
    Treating an idea or belief with respect is not an indication of agreement, but of civility.
    Even when respect is not reciprocated, taking the high road leaves outside or undecided observers with a better impression of 
    one's position.

You unreasonable bastard.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Ben Shapiro

#9
January 08, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
I don't even hate Fedoras. They looked cool on Kojak and Dick Tracey.

hooplala

#10
January 08, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
And Corey Feldman.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Ben Shapiro

#11
January 08, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:38:51 PM
This is the post I made that's upsetting people:

QuoteISSUE: Should Atheists treat the beliefs of religious people with respect?

CONCLUSION: Yes, Atheists should treat the beliefs of religious people with respect.

PREMISES:

    It makes sense to treat others as one would like to be treated.
    Ridicule, contempt, and other forms of disrespect are ineffective at changing minds or earning support.
    Tolerance and respect bring people together over other shared values.
    Treating an idea or belief with respect is not an indication of agreement, but of civility.
    Even when respect is not reciprocated, taking the high road leaves outside or undecided observers with a better impression of 
    one's position.

I don't know why, but someone is going to bring up Islam in your post Nigel. Waiting for the tears.

Nephew Twiddleton

#12
January 09, 2014, 01:24:06 AM
One of the funny things about the divide is that many firmly deist/theist thinkers have contributed immeasurably to science, sometimes on the grounds that they figured that God himself came down and revealed Himself and gave a holy MissionTM to figure out His Holy Kludges.

#ReneDescartesFeverDream
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

#13
January 09, 2014, 01:26:22 AM
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#14
January 09, 2014, 06:53:44 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 08, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
I know we're going down this rabbit hole again, but can "respect" mean "not talking about it until it directly affects an issue at hand"?

Yes.

A couple of the responses I have given to questions so far:

QuoteI think that treating the beliefs of others with respect even when you consider their beliefs silly helps foster a sense of unity. I don't think harmful actions should be tolerated or respected, but beliefs are different from actions. It is possible to treat someone's beliefs with respect even if you privately think they're silly or nonsensical. In some cases, respect is as simple as refraining from mockery or cruel comments.

QuoteMaintaining a focus on human beings and not on religious differences, we all live together in a society, and a society functions best when people work with commonalities rather than distancing themselves with their differences.

QuoteIn my opinion, no; respect of other beliefs has a legitimate boundary at the point where those beliefs become action that infringes on the rights of others. Respecting beliefs and respecting actions are not the same thing. For example, someone may believe that homosexuality is wrong. I may choose not to personally, internally, agree with that belief at all, but also may respect it by not mocking it to their face. However, the moment they choose to infringe upon my belief that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable part of human development by attempting to pass any type of laws against it or promoting public censure against it, they have transgressed upon my rights and those of others, and I certainly may object to that without feeling any conflict with my ethical structure.

The conversation seems to have died down now. I look forward to inflaming it with a post on vaccination.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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