The Final Word™ on the whole atheist/theist thing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Believing in supernatural shit is a thing. Not believing in it is too. To the believer the non believer looks all sorts of doomed and/or evil. To the non believer, believers look like potentially dangerous and/or hilarious deluded people.

Expecting them to stop pissing and shitting at each other is, to my mind, optimistic at best. Best solution is one side is knocked out. Can't see that happening either but where's the harm in Just laughing at the whole hooting match and occasionally scoring cheap, dirty yucks at the expense of one side or the other?

Mostly, I'm just sick and tired of the stale "humor", and the ignorant-ass, po'bucker "wit" of both sides.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Like everything else - can be done to death.

[EK WAFFLR]

Like everything else - can be has been done to death.

Fixed that for ya.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Word.

I have been on 6 forums AND Facebook today, and that tired-ass shit is dominating EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I like the idea of just unfriending everyone who posts it. It's so CLEAN.

[Salty]

Word.

I have been on 6 forums AND Facebook today, and that tired-ass shit is dominating EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I like the idea of just unfriending everyone who posts it. It's so CLEAN.

It seems I have already done so.

No idea what you guys mean,

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Believing in supernatural shit is a thing. Not believing in it is too. To the believer the non believer looks all sorts of doomed and/or evil. To the non believer, believers look like potentially dangerous and/or hilarious deluded people.

Expecting them to stop pissing and shitting at each other is, to my mind, optimistic at best. Best solution is one side is knocked out. Can't see that happening either but where's the harm in Just laughing at the whole hooting match and occasionally scoring cheap, dirty yucks at the expense of one side or the other?

Curiously enough, I've gone most of my life without a lot of theist/atheist pissing and shitting, despite having both atheist and theist friends, and despite myself having gone through both theist and atheist phases.

Maybe I'm just a unicorn, but somehow I kinda doubt it.

[Eater of Clowns]

I don't understand it.

Two of my closest friends just took week long media blackouts, replacing that input with Bible study. We never even talked about God until a few months ago (chronicled in the Some of It thread).

It just has no bearing on the type of person you are.

[Left]

I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that in the year 2014 that's still a hot topic.

It really seems like its more of a hot topic than it was even ten years ago.  Or maybe I'm just paying more attention now.

There's an atheist movement now. They're building their own 'churches' and having their own 'services' on Sunday and whatnot. It's officially become a new cult/religion.

...On my days off I am not getting out of bed until noon, voluntarily, for anybody. 
I have a deep suspicion of anyone who would make me do otherwise for my supposed self-betterment.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that in the year 2014 that's still a hot topic.

It really seems like its more of a hot topic than it was even ten years ago.  Or maybe I'm just paying more attention now.

There's an atheist movement now. They're building their own 'churches' and having their own 'services' on Sunday and whatnot. It's officially become a new cult/religion.

Not that I'm one of teh Chosen, but

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/community.without.christ/35490.htm

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/06/a-humanistic-cult-split-in-atheist-church-movement-leads-to-denominational-chasm/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/16/atheists-set-to-go-on-global-missionary-tour-to-establish-godless-church-congregations-around-the-world/

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/07/260184473/sunday-assembly-a-church-for-the-godless-picks-up-steam

Well at least npr is in there.

*laughs* Yeah. The original story I read was in a print magazine but I can't find it and I forget what it was. I think the roommate recycled all the things again.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that in the year 2014 that's still a hot topic.

It really seems like its more of a hot topic than it was even ten years ago.  Or maybe I'm just paying more attention now.

There's an atheist movement now. They're building their own 'churches' and having their own 'services' on Sunday and whatnot. It's officially become a new cult/religion.

Not that I'm one of teh Chosen, but

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/community.without.christ/35490.htm

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/06/a-humanistic-cult-split-in-atheist-church-movement-leads-to-denominational-chasm/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/16/atheists-set-to-go-on-global-missionary-tour-to-establish-godless-church-congregations-around-the-world/

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/07/260184473/sunday-assembly-a-church-for-the-godless-picks-up-steam

Well at least npr is in there.

*laughs* Yeah. The original story I read was in a print magazine but I can't find it and I forget what it was. I think the roommate recycled all the things again.

I remember seeing it elsewhere and from a reliable source that wasn't NPR.

Can't remember where though.

Thing is, I can understand the appeal of a spiritual community. I really can, even though I happen to be religious and paradoxically shun congregations as a matter of personal preference, but building a spiritual community around a mutual lack of spirituality seems odd to me. And while it may be worthwhile to the people involved, I can see how uncomfortable Christians and Glenn Beck would be all whoop whoop about this.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'm in an odd place myself, even within my spiritual journey, so I probably shouldn't even comment. It's all glitchy on my end.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that in the year 2014 that's still a hot topic.

It really seems like its more of a hot topic than it was even ten years ago.  Or maybe I'm just paying more attention now.

There's an atheist movement now. They're building their own 'churches' and having their own 'services' on Sunday and whatnot. It's officially become a new cult/religion.

Not that I'm one of teh Chosen, but

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/community.without.christ/35490.htm

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/06/a-humanistic-cult-split-in-atheist-church-movement-leads-to-denominational-chasm/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/16/atheists-set-to-go-on-global-missionary-tour-to-establish-godless-church-congregations-around-the-world/

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/07/260184473/sunday-assembly-a-church-for-the-godless-picks-up-steam

Well at least npr is in there.

*laughs* Yeah. The original story I read was in a print magazine but I can't find it and I forget what it was. I think the roommate recycled all the things again.

I remember seeing it elsewhere and from a reliable source that wasn't NPR.

Can't remember where though.

Thing is, I can understand the appeal of a spiritual community. I really can, even though I happen to be religious and paradoxically shun congregations as a matter of personal preference, but building a spiritual community around a mutual lack of spirituality seems odd to me. And while it may be worthwhile to the people involved, I can see how uncomfortable Christians and Glenn Beck would be all whoop whoop about this.

And actually that's dumb right there too. Theism and deism do not have a monopoly on spiritually based community. And atheism and agnosticism do not, as a matter of principle, reject spiritual community, even in the face of rejecting deity and immortality of the soul. You can find deep spiritual meaning in existence without gods or souls.

Twid,
One god, no souls. Wants to skew the equation.

[Left]

I'm in an odd place myself, even within my spiritual journey, so I probably shouldn't even comment. It's all glitchy on my end.

...Certainty is really comfortable, and safe.
I think a spiritual path ought to be uncomfortable.

Just my thought, your mileage may vary, please drive through...

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'm in an odd place myself, even within my spiritual journey, so I probably shouldn't even comment. It's all glitchy on my end.

...Certainty is really comfortable, and safe.
I think a spiritual path ought to be uncomfortable.

Just my thought, your mileage may vary, please drive through...

Well, thing is, I would prefer to have a universe with no gods and immortality. And I find myself in a universe where, based on current data and current interpretation, at least one god exists and at least no souls exists. This is contrary to the point. I don't like it but I can't ignore it. I would rather be an atheist Buddhist. But, at the moment, based on what I know, I must accept that some sort of god exists, and that god did not see fit to make humans spiritually immortal.

Because I cannot get past the weirdness that is biological life in an unlikely universe without a god existing,

AND

I cannot get past the idea that I habitually stop existing every night, and therefore will not survive physical death when my brain irreparably breaks.

Twid,
Wants more data

[Nephew Twiddleton]

And I feel strangely relieved every time I say that. That God is real, whatever God may be, and that I will not survive death.

I don't like it.

I hate it.

And I am relieved.

And I want to be proven wrong. Desperately.