The Best Map

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Though, I'd put myself in the curve of the mark rather than the point.

HAWT.

[LHX]

more thoughts on the best map in light of recent discussions:

it cannot FACE the situation FOR you - but it can demonstrate which situations need to be faced, what might happen, where you might end up etc


it is easier to draw a map of a hazardous place than it is to travel thru it
but
if you have a general idea of what occurs on the other side, it can make it easier to travel


a good map reflects uncertainty where uncertainty exists
- it reflects undefinable regions if some regions are undefinable

ultimately, tho some maps can be more effective than others, it cannot turn a docile slouch into a sword-swinging adventurer

all it can do is suggest
imply
and at most - threaten

[Doc Howl]

The map is not the territory.

The map is never the territory.

Some maps are better than others.

What are the features of the best map?


it might be interesting to use some visual aids in answering this question...


what things do we deal with?
time
space
people
life/living things
symbols
words
robots
Machine

any worthwhile map needs to include all these elements directly or indirectly

I have a question:  Just what exactly was that supposed to mean, in a pragmatic sense?

[LHX]

it was prolly a continuation from another thread

in a pragmatic sense (i think that means making it practical) - drawing a map is pretty much like a effort to figure out how best to navigate a territory


if you are dealing with a situation where there are a lot of known factors that are easy to lose track of, sometimes it can be helpful to use a map


does that follow?

[Doc Howl]

it was prolly a continuation from another thread

in a pragmatic sense (i think that means making it practical) - drawing a map is pretty much like a effort to figure out how best to navigate a territory


if you are dealing with a situation where there are a lot of known factors that are easy to lose track of, sometimes it can be helpful to use a map


does that follow?

Yes.  I am assuming that there is more to this?

[LHX]

yeah - it kind of fits along with some general themes


you are familiar with the saying 'the map is not the territory'?

[Doc Howl]

yeah - it kind of fits along with some general themes


you are familiar with the saying 'the map is not the territory'?

Not really.  Is it as simple as it looks, or is it jargon of some kind?

[LHX]

to be honest, i dont even know who said it, really

i think it was RAW


it is as simple as it looks, but it has a lot of implications


the map is not the territory is a observation that puts the entire system of language and communication up for scrutiny


for example:
what exactly is the relationship between map and territory?
symbol and object?


the discussion kind of progressed from there

[Doc Howl]

to be honest, i dont even know who said it, really

i think it was RAW


it is as simple as it looks, but it has a lot of implications


the map is not the territory is a observation that puts the entire system of language and communication up for scrutiny


for example:
what exactly is the relationship between map and territory?
symbol and object?


the discussion kind of progressed from there

Oh, okay.

I think I shall see my way out of this conversation, thought, before I say something rude.

[LHX]

rude is good

as long as there is substance to back it


feel free to add on if you got the inclination

[DJRubberducky]

What LHX said.  Read a couple of other threads and you'll see we have no problem with calling bullshit, or being called on bullshit.  If anything, it's another invitation to dialogue, and personally I feel dialogue is kind of like Chinese herbal medicine - the worse it tastes, the more you needed it.

[Doc Howl]

rude is good

as long as there is substance to back it


feel free to add on if you got the inclination

Okay.  Here goes:  Any usefulness that this (sub)forum might have seems to have been totally buried under jargon and a weird sort of pseudo-scholarship that doesn't seem to have any purpose except to muddy the waters for the sake of muddying the waters.

At least that's the impression I get.

Maybe I'm just too utilitarian.

[LHX]

one of the main themes here is to make a relationship between abstract and practical


abstract things become practical when you understand what they are



nobody here even likes jargon

or scholarship

[Doc Howl]

one of the main themes here is to make a relationship between abstract and practical


abstract things become practical when you understand what they are

No offense, but from an outsider's point o view, exactly the opposite has occurred.

nobody here even likes jargon

or scholarship

Nothing wrong with scholarship.  At least genuine scholarship (history and science are our friends).

[LHX]

What LHX said.  Read a couple of other threads and you'll see we have no problem with calling bullshit, or being called on bullshit.  If anything, it's another invitation to dialogue, and personally I feel dialogue is kind of like Chinese herbal medicine - the worse it tastes, the more you needed it.

thats it right there