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Started by LMNO, February 21, 2007, 02:23:09 PM

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LMNO

#105
February 23, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Yeah, cant forget to bring your LULZ bucket.

The Good Reverend Roger

#106
February 23, 2007, 04:07:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Yeah, cant forget to bring your LULZ bucket.

My latest schtick is to pretend to be one of them.  You can have NO end of yuks.

Especially when they think the local cop  is on their side.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#107
February 23, 2007, 04:08:22 PM
Youse a bad panda.

The Good Reverend Roger

#108
February 23, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 04:08:22 PM
Youse a bad panda.

I know.  And I inspire others to do bad things.

But mostly I deal with domestic disturbances, as the same 3 guys play "smack my bitch up" twice a week.

But Papa has the cure for that.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Triple Zero

#109
February 23, 2007, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 02:48:02 PMGoing head-to-head against a fundie won't convince the fundie, but it may change the view of those watching the fight.

ugh. i really hate it when i'm watching an argument and suddenly i see one of the parties doing that -- arguing for the sake of the audience, and continuing to do so after it's obvious one (or more) of the parties is never going to be convinced, nor learn anything more, and the discussion is basically at a dead end standstill, but still they keep firing their stock arguments at eachother ..

happens at every fundy/creationist versus atheist/scientist argument, and it GOES NOWHERE.

and both sides think it's "worth it" to continue reiterating the same points over and over, for "the few in the audience that just might change their mind", only bringing the deadlock to a higher level.

it really annoys the hell out of me, because it usually means that both parties have started throwing with arguments that in fact go over their heads, or discussing something they don't know enough about. basically it means they should stop talking, because if they are going to convince anybody "in the audience" that audience member may have a new opinion but will not be able to articulate it or argumentate it in a discussion, except by regurgitating the exact same arguments he or she might have remembered from this fight, and so the circle starts over again.

end result: people have switched opinions (for "better" or for "worse"), but nobody really started thinking about anything.
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

The Good Reverend Roger

#110
February 23, 2007, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 02:48:02 PMGoing head-to-head against a fundie won't convince the fundie, but it may change the view of those watching the fight.

ugh. i really hate it when i'm watching an argument and suddenly i see one of the parties doing that -- arguing for the sake of the audience, and continuing to do so after it's obvious one (or more) of the parties is never going to be convinced, nor learn anything more, and the discussion is basically at a dead end standstill, but still they keep firing their stock arguments at eachother ..

happens at every fundy/creationist versus atheist/scientist argument, and it GOES NOWHERE.

and both sides think it's "worth it" to continue reiterating the same points over and over, for "the few in the audience that just might change their mind", only bringing the deadlock to a higher level.

it really annoys the hell out of me, because it usually means that both parties have started throwing with arguments that in fact go over their heads, or discussing something they don't know enough about. basically it means they should stop talking, because if they are going to convince anybody "in the audience" that audience member may have a new opinion but will not be able to articulate it or argumentate it in a discussion, except by regurgitating the exact same arguments he or she might have remembered from this fight, and so the circle starts over again.

end result: people have switched opinions (for "better" or for "worse"), but nobody really started thinking about anything.

Since when is having atwo groups of dumbshits stalemate a BAD thing?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#111
February 23, 2007, 06:48:37 PM
Who said anything about "stock arguments"?

I pride myself on always trying something new, be it a reflection of the opponents words, an absurdist take, or ad hominem attacks.

Believe me, you will never see 2 identical xtian arguments from me.


Why?


Because I, for some bizarre reason, have actually read the bible, and am facinated at the scholorship.  Some people get drawn into Ulysses, some LARP.  I'm into biblical studies.
































Oh, fuck.  Someone shoot me.

Triple Zero

#112
February 23, 2007, 06:50:56 PM
TGGR: because sometimes one of the dumbshit parties actually is trying to defend a position that i agree with.

then i'm all like "UNNNNN hit him what THIS argument! DO IT!!"
and then he doesn't. cause he's a dumbshit.

agreed, if both parties hold some polarised points of view where the idea that i happen to agree with obviously lies in the middle, let them have at it all they want :) it might even be fun to watch.
might need a beer for that, though.

LMNO: sorry i didn't want to imply you did this. in fact now that you mention it, you are right i have never seen two identical arguments from you. also i'm glad you seem to use ad hominem only as a last resort (the very last trick in schopenhauer's book, for a reason)
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

LMNO

#113
February 23, 2007, 07:07:25 PM
also the most fun, if you're a bastard.



LMNO
-bastard at times.

The Good Reverend Roger

#114
February 23, 2007, 07:08:50 PM
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 06:50:56 PM
TGGR: because sometimes one of the dumbshit parties actually is trying to defend a position that i agree with.


They're still dumbshits.

That's all you need to know.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#115
February 23, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
It gets really fucking annoying when they stop debating you and decide they are going to save you.

RWHN,
Wants the last 30 minutes of his life back. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

#116
February 23, 2007, 07:11:28 PM
NOOO!  That's when they're open!  You can falsely bond with them!


Gah!  You're missing an opportunity to infect the host!



LMNO
- actually learned a thing or two from his Scientologist brother.

The Good Reverend Roger

#117
February 23, 2007, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
It gets really fucking annoying when they stop debating you and decide they are going to save you.

RWHN,
Wants the last 30 minutes of his life back. 

Punch them in the face.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#118
February 23, 2007, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:11:28 PM
NOOO!  That's when they're open!  You can falsely bond with them!


Gah!  You're missing an opportunity to infect the host!



LMNO
- actually learned a thing or two from his Scientologist brother.

Sorry, any type of "bonding" on MySpace would feel just plain icky.  
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

#119
February 23, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
TONIGHT ON NBC:  TO CATCH A BLASPHEMER.
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