Proposal - Spring - Summer '07

[P3nT4gR4m]

I was kinda thinking I'd do the same thing tonight for a couple of hours and see what turns up. I'm guessing this will be a one off tho.

[LMNO]

Should be interesting to compare notes at the end.

[Cramulus]

Thread paleontology isn't going to be useful to us unless we have a somewhat clear goal. LHX's original proposition:

Desired result:
instead of having people being told to 'Think for Yourself' -
provide context, warnings, benefits, and applications

audience?

• Discordians?
• Other Jerks?

And is the goal to produce a brochure?

the OP also sounds like the goal might be the evolution of the meme. Think for yourself about And Now What, etc.

[LMNO]

I'm using it as a sieve.  There are good posts in there.  I'm gonna go separate them from the chaff, and make 'em available as stand alone pieces.

[P3nT4gR4m]

[The Littlest Ubermensch]

[congratulatory post to 'Cybin's awesomeness that will cause people to get sick of all the goddamn congratulatory posts on this board even more]

[Triple Zero]

I think what some of us need to do is to do a lot of thread diving & compile the best ideas/posts/phrases. 

this is why i "bumped" the wiki, because it seems perfectly suited for compiling stuff that doesn't get buried too quick

[LHX]

i always get the feeling that the most recent stuff is the best stuff

and it kind of encapsulates everything that came before it


just like anything we write right now would take the original BIP (and its shortcomings) into account

i really think the future of this stuff lies in what we produce live and streaming as it comes


i really think we should get better at summarizing the present situation in a way that doesnt involve archaeology

develop a style that translates well into print with minimal production and editing time


we cant use pre-2007 tactics for what is going on in 2007


EDIT - although that joint that Cybin put together is pretty slick

that layout and formatting is straight bangin

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Cramulus has some points.

We need to have an audience in mind as well as what we're shooting for.

develop a style that translates well into print with minimal production and editing time

I've wrote about 10 different answers to this and I'm not satisfied with any of them.

That's a hell of problem you've brought up there... 

[Cramulus]

develop a style that translates well into print with minimal production and editing time

I've wrote about 10 different answers to this and I'm not satisfied with any of them.

That's a hell of problem you've brought up there... 

In My Opinion --- the "style" of the text needs to be:

• accessable - any asshole should be able to read it and understand it without knowledge of our complex metaphors
• engaging - it should be interesting to read
• relevant - ...nuff said, I hope

The specific format of the text does not need to be standardized. We could do a mix of sermons, rants, essays, socratic dialogues, AIM dialogues, and diagrams, as long as they fit the above criteria.

The BIP booklet, for example, does this nicely. The format and tone of the pamphlet changes from page to page, and I feel that actually helps it stay interesting. Plus if you (the reader) find one style boring, turn the page and there's a different approach. It well reflects the commutiny we have here and our various approaches to solving this "problem".

I also found that eclectic style quite useful to convey the complex ideas in the BIP. It's not something you can summarize quickly, and the multifaceted approach seemed to work.

Tone is another issue entirely.

[LHX]

the tones range from stand-offish to new-age to rallying-up-the-troops etc etc


in the same regard that there is a style that everybody can find appealing - there are also styles that will turn people off


BUT
since passages are short - i think we might already have the key to solving that problem

we dont punish people with lengthy script


we go for the relentless never-ending short bursts

[Triple Zero]

develop a style that translates well into print with minimal production and editing time

I've wrote about 10 different answers to this and I'm not satisfied with any of them.

That's a hell of problem you've brought up there... 

when i read this, i was thinking of some kind of "plug-n-play" layout system? it doesn't need to look uber-shiny, just reasonably well-thought out, and you could just copy/paste a selection of your favourite rants/pieces/writings/things in it, and it would make headings and paragraphs come out right.
something a bit like CSS is for HTML, or maybe even more like LaTeX (yes i said it), there must be some other solutions to it as well, i'd guess?
also, once you have it, if, then there's still the need to archive and store the thusfar produced rants into some kind of system (the wiki?) in a format from which people can easily select rants from, and stick together their lego-style customized pamphlet, which needs to be not much more than a selection of topical rants for the target audience.

well that was what came to my mind, but i've got the feeling you are operating on a different level

anyway i'd be interested to hear your 10 thoughts about this, Net

[LHX]

develop a style that translates well into print with minimal production and editing time

I've wrote about 10 different answers to this and I'm not satisfied with any of them.

That's a hell of problem you've brought up there... 

when i read this, i was thinking of some kind of "plug-n-play" layout system? it doesn't need to look uber-shiny, just reasonably well-thought out, and you could just copy/paste a selection of your favourite rants/pieces/writings/things in it, and it would make headings and paragraphs come out right.
something a bit like CSS is for HTML, or maybe even more like LaTeX (yes i said it), there must be some other solutions to it as well, i'd guess?
also, once you have it, if, then there's still the need to archive and store the thusfar produced rants into some kind of system (the wiki?) in a format from which people can easily select rants from, and stick together their lego-style customized pamphlet, which needs to be not much more than a selection of topical rants for the target audience.

this is a interesting line of thought