On Conspiracy Theorism

[hunter s.durden]

Jesus, I knew it was big (didn't they get agents pretty deep into the FBI?), but bigger than the Soviets?

I guess they're winning the "who is actually conspiring" war.

[Cain]

Apparently.  The Soviets got Aldrich Ames of course, but they lost much of their intelligence assets in the Red Scare because recruiting became harder and much more costly.  They had some in the State Dept during WWII, the Rosenbergs of course, but as a single operation they never got near the level of the CoS.  The Walker Spy Ring maybe, was much more important, but as a rule intelligence agencies work very small scale, with as few links as possible between agents and officers to stop leaks.

[Cain]

Edited, now with HTLMy linked goodness (shit my head hurts).

[Heckler567]

the first thread by cain, right on, that was my deduction of the whole conspiracy theories, last few years been looking at alot of shit and alot is out there, i just wish i was smoking what some of these conspiracy thoeries.

i never disbelieave but ill never believe, a conspiracy theory, theres just never enuff proof.

[1231]

awesome summary of the topic... I've been around the conspiracy circuit pretty thoroughly, and have run into pretty much the same conclusions. Sure, the Templars might have turned into the Freemasons, but past the American Revolution the Freemasons have turned into a nearly impotent social club. Etc and so on.

Oddly enough, as I was debunking some of the juicier government conspiracies (Cain, again right on the money- there are conspiracies but it's almost all in plain site- IMF, World Bank, Haliburton)

one thing I never expected to see ANY weight to started cropping up in my field of vision.. UFO/ET  stuff. What's the deal there? I've scoffed at that arena for years, but I keep running into deep running themes. Ancient/historic artwork that depicts things damn like spaceships/spacesuits, etc  bug me especially.
(for example: http://www.ufoartwork.com/)

Oh, and what about 9/11? I still have some serious questions about that (been following that one since day of, long before it became a hype event- which i think is interesting in and of itself, the amount of controversy that has sprung up)


any thoughts on those two?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

personally, i think UFO myths are general humans-will-be-dumbshits stuff, but it's somewhat supported by government with its 'neither confirm nor deny' crap, because it's a convenient way to divert attention from experimental aircraft tests and the like.

as for 9/11, there's evidence that points to a 'conspiracy,' but nobody wants to hear it, and if you question that it's anything other than the Terrist Evildoors, then you're obviously just undermining Freedom(tm) and the American Way(tm).

but really, there are so many conspiracies that there must be a conspiracy somewhere whose sole purpose is to generate more conspiracies.

[P3nT4gR4m]

personally, i think UFO myths are general humans-will-be-dumbshits stuff, but it's somewhat supported by government with its 'neither confirm nor deny' crap, because it's a convenient way to divert attention from experimental aircraft tests and the like.

as for 9/11, there's evidence that points to a 'conspiracy,' but nobody wants to hear it, and if you question that it's anything other than the Terrist Evildoors, then you're obviously just undermining Freedom(tm) and the American Way(tm).

but really, there are so many conspiracies that there must be a conspiracy somewhere whose sole purpose is to generate more conspiracies.

That would be me

[1231]

makes sense on the government red herring front, 'cept it doesn't seem like the decades of these floating thingies have really panned out into visible hardware. of course there's gonna be tons of shit that never sees the light of day, but the bureaucratic government eventually wants to use all the toys they've spent billions of our money on.. yah, we got the newer stealthier stuff but no interesting propulsion, only primitive VTOL, etc. dunno...

believe me, i'm no die hard ufo junky.. i've just been piqued out of my cynicism a little bit.


as for 9/11.. well. guess this really isn't the venue for either of these topics.

[Cain]

Almost all the UFO groups are spin-offs from the COINTELPRO operation.  Look how they are fed constantly conflicting information that keeps them on edge and offering a solution or answer in a few years.  Not to mention all these leaks come from ex-military people.


9/11 is simple.  Why would the government plant bombs, then use planes as a cover, then blame Al-Qaeda, only to spend 2 years furiously spinning info and intel to invade Iraq?  They could have claimed the bombs were just bombs and that they were put in place by Iraqis...we know they were obssessed about invading that place.  What happened was they got some intel that an attack was planned and sat on their hands, so they could direct public opinion from there on in and pass nearly all security legislation with minimal token resistance.