Don't ever let them see you cheat.

[LMNO]

Good point.  He knew more than the rest of us, too.


He knew that "Donnie Darko" was a masonic plot, after all.

[Ambassador KAOS]

Ok, you realize that you've just said that you're better and smarter than the rest of us, and are acting stupid in order to show us how stupid we are.  Which is pretty fucking condescending.

Oh, and it still doesn't apply to a so-called "grand sense of irony", especially since you're speaking of internal processes.

So, explain what you mean by "grand sense of irony", as it applies to internal subversion.

not what I'm claiming, but I am putting out certain bits of food to see who and how people react.  some of it is total bullshit, some of it is stuff I consider vallid. 

FACT: you guys do the same thing to see when and how I react to what you put out there and you bait it too.

On a different note, even the mona lisa will look shitty if you put it in a bad light.  try looking at what I'm saying the understanding that I'm not here to attack or cause fights.  I swear that you guys already know this and everyone's just fucking with me because I asked for a week of bullshit.

I'm gonna stick to that theory for now.

[AFK]

deffinitively, that goes back to environment VS nature.  I get that topic you guys are mentioning.  I'm not saying that environment doesn't have an effect(I am testament to this  ), I was just going off about internal subversion and neglecting the rest because that was the focal point of what was requested.  The machine gimmick was just to make it a readable essay fomrat and make identifiable for people here.

Except that you totally mis-identified the machine "gimmick". 

[Ambassador KAOS]

deffinitively, that goes back to environment VS nature.  I get that topic you guys are mentioning.  I'm not saying that environment doesn't have an effect(I am testament to this  ), I was just going off about internal subversion and neglecting the rest because that was the focal point of what was requested.  The machine gimmick was just to make it a readable essay fomrat and make identifiable for people here.

Except that you totally mis-identified the machine "gimmick". 

Possibly, especially from your perception of what it is.

I get it, you didn't like my verbiage.

That's cool.

Define it differently.  Maybe I'll like yours better.  Maybe not.

[AFK]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10409.0

[RWHN's take]

The Machine(tm) is the collection of human failings that have evolved, copulated, and given birth to this ever-growing, ever-existing, ever-churning, non-entity entity that saturates the world that we humans live in. 

It's like in the theory of evolution where a bunch of amino acids and enzymes and other collections of molecules just kind of started smooshing into each other and dancing and turning into an ancient amoeba that eventually smooshed and danced with other ameobas and turned into a microscopic slug, so and and so forth. 

The Machine(tm) started as civilizations of humans started.  There probably was no Machine(tm) when it was every caveman for himself.  Because he could only be corrupted by his own mind, but, worrying only about food and mating with the first female he saw he probably didn't worry about corrupting himself or even understand or acknowledge the existence of such a concept.  Hell, the idea of a concept probably would have been foreign to him. 

As cavemen settled with other cavemen societies formed and interactions withing these societies commenced.  And this would be when the "amino acids" and "enzymes" of human failings and inadequacies started to mingle with each other.  In the beginning they formed harmless amoebas.  However, hundreds and thousands of years later as more people lived with more people these "amoebas" coalesced and evolved.  They became Greed and Powerlust and Manipulation and Corruption and they became bigger like trees and rooted themselves deep into the topsoil of human sociology. 

Eventually it just became itself.  Always there but not seen by those who spawned it long ago.  However, always, ceaselessly imparting its affects upon its unwitting creators.  But we do see it.  We do feel it.  And as its been said before, we cannot kill it.  We can only hope to create our own "amino acids" and "ensymes" to create our own amoebas that perhaps can start to replace some of the old ones.  And perhaps, just maybe, we can at least turn a limb of The Machine(tm) and give humanity a small glimmer of hope of evolving The Machine(tm) into something else. 

[Ambassador KAOS]

I already read that but thanks.

I happen to define the machine for myself as something more than a social construst, or if it must be a social construct, then it would be consensus percieved reality.

I think of more as reality as a whole to include the facets of not just the universe but the infinitude of the multiverse.

Some may not agree, some may.

I like my idea better.

[LHX]

not just the universe but the infinitude of the multiverse.

isnt that what is implied by the word 'universe'?


that multiverse nonsense is a cop out

even a multiverse is still a universe at root

[Ambassador KAOS]

Main Entry: multi¬?verse
Function: noun
Date: 2005
1 : the whole of things and phenomena both observed & postulated and unobserved & unpostulated :
2 : all possible and impossible universes and dimensions as a a systematic whole, regarless of manifestation or lack thereof
3 : an indistinct field or provinces of thought or realities that forms all systems of both possible and impossible organizations

u¬?ni¬?verse      /ˈyunəˌvɜrs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-nuh-vurs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
,Äìnoun 1. the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm. 
2. the whole world, esp. with reference to humanity: a truth known throughout the universe. 
3. a world or sphere in which something exists or prevails: his private universe. 
4. Also called universe of discourse. Logic. the aggregate of all the objects, attributes, and relations assumed or implied in a given discussion. 
5. Also called universal set. Mathematics. the set of all elements under discussion for a given problem. 
6. Statistics. the entire population under study. 


note the differences

[LMNO]

Filling in the gaps with new synonyms for "god", ITT.



"I don't know what it is, so I'll make up some grandiose name for it, as if that will explain it away."

Don't talk about what is unknown, dude.  Talk about what is known.  Leave the unknown to Eris.

[LHX]

universe: everything

multiverse: another way of saying everything


yes - i see the differences

[AFK]

Ha, my everything is bigger than your everything.

I win!

[Ambassador KAOS]

It has to do more with how theoretical paradox affects the universe.

Say you go back in time, pull a homer simpson and sneeze a dino and kill all life on the planet.

You didn't actually go back in time, you went to another universe parallell in time to this one that happened to look just like this one bajillion years ago.

When you go back you don't go back to the same one you came from, you go back to one that is where you left it(assuming you manage to calculate correctly) only this 5 minuetes behind the one you left.

The only point relavent being now.

universe includes one possible existence,
multiverse = all possible existence.

That's how I see it.

[Messier Undertree]

universe includes one possible existence,
multiverse = all possible existence.

If this universe is infinite, then what does it matter if other universes exist or not?

Every possible "existence" already exists in this universe.

Or something like that.

[AFK]

When you go back you don't go back to the same one you came from, you go back to one that is where you left it(assuming you manage to calculate correctly) only this 5 minuetes behind the one you left.

Please to be providing the basis for this assertion.  

[LMNO]

It has to do more with how theoretical paradox affects the universe.

Say you go back in time, pull a homer simpson and sneeze a dino and kill all life on the planet.

You didn't actually go back in time, you went to another universe parallell in time to this one that happened to look just like this one bajillion years ago.

When you go back you don't go back to the same one you came from, you go back to one that is where you left it(assuming you manage to calculate correctly) only this 5 minuetes behind the one you left.

The only point relavent being now.

universe includes one possible existence,
multiverse = all possible existence.

That's how I see it.

You're saying that the reality you DO live in is affected by all the realities you DON'T live in.


Realities you can't actually prove exist.  The Everett model is still an unproven theory.


You're using a lot of words to say exactly nothing.