A classic Cain rant. I love it!

[Payne]

I would normally bump the original thread, but that descended into immediate bullshit.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10635.0

Lets start afresh with this one hey?
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The very concept of chaos was still considered equivalent to strife and treated as a negative.
- The Principia Discordia

Eris was there with Kydoimos (Confusion) among them, and Ker (Death) the destructive; she was holding a live man with a new wound, and another one unhurt, and dragged a dead man by the feet through the carnage."
- Homer, Iliad 18.535

"I have a high art, I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me."
,Äî Archirocus, 650 BC


I'm absolutely sick of this uninformed, bury your head in the sand, cute fluffy animals and sweetness view of Eris.  Yeah, you read right.  I've read all the crap I can take from 17 year old Myspacers who think calling themselves ,ÄúxXxErisxXx,Äù and acting in a poor imitation of ,Äúwacky,Äù means they are somehow like our Lady of Discord.  Most people here have little on Eris, but you types ain't even in the same ballpark.

Eris is more than the goddess of Confusion.  I know not many Discordians are Greek scholars, but even the name of Our Lady herself means ,ÄúStrife,Äù in the ancient Greek!  Strife, Chaos and Disorder, mother of the terrible Kakodaimones, the leveler of cities, the equal of Athena in warfare.  Why do wars keep on happening if no-one wants them?  "[Eris] is hateful ... [she is the one] who builds up evil, war, and slaughter (Hesiod).

,ÄúOh, but thats too mean and nasty to believe!  Eris is a cute Greek lady and chaos is laughing children dancing in the happy anarchy,Äù  You better slap that hippie shit out of you before I do it myself!  You can embrace the ,Äúpositive,Äù aspects of Disorder all you want, but you cannot forget there is a pretty nasty flipside.  And even that has a purpose.

Who feared Eris most?  For whom does Disorder mean all is lost?  Authority, authority, authority.  The men and women of The Con crave order, and only use chaos when it is the means to the greater end of more order.  They hate messy, unplanned and uncontrollable disorder, because it screws up their careful conspiracies.  Eris most certainly bought war and death in her wake, but it never said anywhere against whom she would bring destruction on, or that it wouldn't stop even greater death and violence.

"[Aion, god of time addresses Zeus:] 'Lord Zeus! behold yourself the sorrows of a despairing world!
Do you not see that Enyo [another name for Eris] has made the whole earth mad, mowing season by
season her harvest of quick-perishing youth?" - Nonnus, Dionysiaca 7.7

You read that?  They feared Her.  The immortal Olympians themselves lived in dread of this uncontrollable goddess, who sowed lawlessness in her every step.  Who fed the infernal beast Typhon and unleashed him against the King of the Gods?  Eris.  Who put Zeus in the embarrassing position of having to choose between his daughter and wife in a competition of beauty?  Eris.  Who gifted the Queen of the Amazons, the allies of Troy, with a dread weapon from the armoury of Ares, in order to defeat the Greeks?  Got it in one.  At every stage she took an active hand in undermining the plans of gods and mortals, whether in person, via trickery, or by steps removed.

You may call me a personification of Destructive Disorder.  You may even think of me as a hypocritical trickster, trying to lead the faithful to a terrible doom.  You can certainly think of me as an agent of Strife, because thats about the only thing that is true of the above.  The worst people in history are those who chase ,Äúpeace,Äù, especially when they equate it with order and are willing to do whatever they can to get it.  Hitler wanted peace.  So does George W Bush.  Almost everyone wants peace.  The question is always on what terms.  Disorder doesn't recognize ,Äúterms,Äùand it sure as hell doesn't recognize a wasteland called ,Äúpeace,Äù.

[Payne]

Good one Cain I love the metaphor of peace being a wasteland.

[Cain]

A lot of people were pissing me off when I wrote that.  I hope it shook a few of them up, but likely it didn't....especially as we had to troll the fuck out of some of them.

[Payne]

I've been reading a lot of the threads from that time, for deeper understanding. I know what you mean. Regardless of the context though, I founf it to be very well written. Almost inspiring. And deserving of a bump without the attendant BS that accompanied the original.

[Dr. Cow Ass]

What about Gandhi? 

Sometimes we need to fuck things up, but that post was just too intense for my taste. I liked it though, very powerful.

[Cain]

What about Ghandi?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What about Gandhi? 

Not enough laffs.

[B_M_W]

What about Gandhi? 

Sometimes we need to fuck things up, but that post was just too intense for my taste. I liked it though, very powerful.

Ghandi was flawed. He became a hypocrite to the world when he decided sending tanks to pakistan was a good idea.

What, did I break your pretty picture of the man? 

[Cain]

Actually, Pakistan were the aggressors in the 1947 Indo-Pakistan War.  Pakistan are always the aggressors.

[Thurnez Isa]

Ghandi was flawed.

Everyone is flawed

[B_M_W]

Actually, Pakistan were the aggressors in the 1947 Indo-Pakistan War.  Pakistan are always the aggressors.

Ghandi still advocated some form of military action. Which is advocating violence, at least to some extent. Which was violating his pacifist principles.

Ghandi was flawed.

Everyone is flawed

Troof. I'm just not a fan of putting people on a pedestal, like those who tout Che, or Gandi, or Mother Teresa.

[Dr. Cow Ass]

Ghandi still advocated some form of military action. Which is advocating violence, at least to some extent. Which was violating his pacifist principles.

Ghandi was flawed.

Everyone is flawed

Troof. I'm just not a fan of putting people on a pedestal, like those who tout Che, or Gandi, or Mother Teresa.

True, but I prefer to look at and hopefully emulate the good things people have done, while at the same acknowledging the mistakes they made.

Sometimes I fail, sometimes I fail miserably and embarass the shit out of myself in the process. But don't worry, I don't make mistakes on the PD.com forums...

[Idem]

Alot of the time I just don't give a shit.  Don't refer to "WWJD? or WWGD? or WW blah blah?".  Seems pointless to me, if you can, with your own mind, find the best way to do something.

[B_M_W]

Ghandi still advocated some form of military action. Which is advocating violence, at least to some extent. Which was violating his pacifist principles.

Ghandi was flawed.

Everyone is flawed

Troof. I'm just not a fan of putting people on a pedestal, like those who tout Che, or Gandi, or Mother Teresa.

True, but I prefer to look at and hopefully emulate the good things people have done, while at the same acknowledging the mistakes they made.

Sometimes I fail, sometimes I fail miserably and embarass the shit out of myself in the process. But don't worry, I don't make mistakes on the PD.com forums...

Hey, everybody fails, once in a while, but you know....wait....



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This doesn't have anything to do with black people.   

[Idem]

Ghandi still advocated some form of military action. Which is advocating violence, at least to some extent. Which was violating his pacifist principles.

Ghandi was flawed.

Everyone is flawed

Troof. I'm just not a fan of putting people on a pedestal, like those who tout Che, or Gandi, or Mother Teresa.

True, but I prefer to look at and hopefully emulate the good things people have done, while at the same acknowledging the mistakes they made.

Sometimes I fail, sometimes I fail miserably and embarass the shit out of myself in the process. But don't worry, I don't make mistakes on the PD.com forums...

Hey, everybody fails, once in a while, but you know....wait....



...




This doesn't have anything to do with black people.