Creativity is free

[P3nT4gR4m]

Listening to music on the radio is stealing too, surely?

[AFK]

Of course not, singles are promos.  In fact often times music videos, associated with singles, are called promos.  They are offering you a sample, a sneak peak of their art.  If you like the sample, you buy the album.  much like when you are given taste tests of food at shops.  You like the little nibble of parmesan you just sampled?  If you want more you buy the bigger chunk of cheese.  You don't wait until the shopkeeper is looking the other way and then nab it.  Throw some money to the guy who made you the cheese, it's a pittance compared to the enjoyment you receive from it. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Of course not, singles are promos.  In fact often times music videos, associated with singles, are called promos.  They are offering you a sample, a sneak peak of their art.  If you like the sample, you buy the album.  much like when you are given taste tests of food at shops.  You like the little nibble of parmesan you just sampled?  If you want more you buy the bigger chunk of cheese.  You don't wait until the shopkeeper is looking the other way and then nab it.  Throw some money to the guy who made you the cheese, it's a pittance compared to the enjoyment you receive from it. 

Enough with the "nab it" accusations - we've been through this already - it's still there, so I haven't nabbed it!

What Happened is I heard it once and wanted to listen to it again. If I remember a track that I heard in a friends house is that stealing by the same token?

And if the single is an advertisement then maybe they need to rethink their shit - market forces have now dictated that the whole album is an advertisiment - deal with it.

[Verbal Mike]

And I contend that piracy (or the whole P2P dynamic as a whole) allows artists to become well-known and/or to reach their target audience much faster and more effectively than promos allowed them. Regardless of the supposed ethical consideration involved in piracy.
Pragmatically, I think the P2P revolution is doing great things to commercial music.

[P3nT4gR4m]

It's sure as hell affording the artists the oppotunity to cut out the "industry" bulshit and, IMO, that's something music has been needing for centuries.

[AFK]

And I contend that piracy (or the whole P2P dynamic as a whole) allows artists to become well-known and/or to reach their target audience much faster and more effectively than promos allowed them. Regardless of the supposed ethical consideration involved in piracy.
Pragmatically, I think the P2P revolution is doing great things to commercial music.

Umm, see here's the thing.  If they don't get the money (which they don't when you pirate their music) they can't be a commercial artists.  I mean, how do you think they cover the costs for recording the music?  You think the label does it out of the goodness of their heart? 

[P3nT4gR4m]

When I pirate their music they get their money through the plain and simple fact that enough "good honest people" don't and that pays their wages.

The economics of the matter are that there are always enough goody two shoes assholes out there to cover my shenanigans.

 

[AFK]

Of course not, singles are promos.  In fact often times music videos, associated with singles, are called promos.  They are offering you a sample, a sneak peak of their art.  If you like the sample, you buy the album.  much like when you are given taste tests of food at shops.  You like the little nibble of parmesan you just sampled?  If you want more you buy the bigger chunk of cheese.  You don't wait until the shopkeeper is looking the other way and then nab it.  Throw some money to the guy who made you the cheese, it's a pittance compared to the enjoyment you receive from it. 

Enough with the "nab it" accusations - we've been through this already - it's still there, so I haven't nabbed it!

What Happened is I heard it once and wanted to listen to it again. If I remember a track that I heard in a friends house is that stealing by the same token?

Then buy the album or hum the tune in your head.  

And if the single is an advertisement then maybe they need to rethink their shit - market forces have now dictated that the whole album is an advertisiment - deal with it.

Yeah, the internet has killed the radio star, or at least levelled the fatal blow. Some artists do offer albums free, in a streaming fashion of course, not as a download.  But also some artists who've blown up big can afford to give away more than a smaller-time artists who needs the revenues from their album sales so they can continue to make music.  

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Just remember:  Don't Copy That Floppy!!!


Interestingly, some bands (or at least one: Radiohead) have experimented with releasing their albums in a purely online form.  Radiohead released their newest album on a "Pay if you want" basis with the option for free download available.  I think the average they got was around $10.

Personally, I'm a filthy pirate because I'm too poor to buy things.  Well, I was.  Now that I have an actual job I guess I'll have to find a new excuse.

[AFK]

When I pirate their music they get their money through the plain and simple fact that enough "good honest people" don't and that pays their wages.

The economics of the matter are that there are always enough goody two shoes assholes out there to cover my shenanigans.

Maybe, I'll still buy the albums anyway.  It's not just about being "good and honest", it's more about giving my support to a band I like.  $13 bucks is easy to spare to someone who brings a smile to my face.  

[AFK]

Just remember:  Don't Copy That Floppy!!!


Interestingly, some bands (or at least one: Radiohead) have experimented with releasing their albums in a purely online form.  Radiohead released their newest album on a "Pay if you want" basis with the option for free download available.  I think the average they got was around $10.

Personally, I'm a filthy pirate because I'm too poor to buy things.  Well, I was.  Now that I have an actual job I guess I'll have to find a new excuse.

I'm done with this thread.  Not sure why I'm bothering honestly. 

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When I pirate their music they get their money through the plain and simple fact that enough "good honest people" don't and that pays their wages.

The economics of the matter are that there are always enough goody two shoes assholes out there to cover my shenanigans.

Maybe, I'll still buy the albums anyway.  It's not just about being "good and honest", it's more about giving my support to a band I like.  $13 bucks is easy to spare to someone who brings a smile to my face. 

Activator!  Now he's just going to keep doing it.  It's people like you, buying things like that, that let him continue to suffer under his delusions!  If everybody just downloaded things for free he wouldn't be able to use that argument, and thus would be morally obligated (due to failed excuse) to dole out the cash.  Quite paradoxical, if you think about it.

I'm done with this thread.  Not sure why I'm bothering honestly. 

Buying CDs was not on my list when I made about $650 a month and paid all but about $50 of it into bills, food, and rent.  Call me ludicrous.  It is quite possible I have no sense of ethics, as well.  Maybe I'm just a terrible person.

[Verbal Mike]

If they don't get the money (which they don't when you pirate their music) they can't be a commercial artists.  I mean, how do you think they cover the costs for recording the music?  You think the label does it out of the goodness of their heart? 

It's quickly becoming so cheap to record a record that many artists don't actually need a record label to fund it. Your argument is surely correct as of about 1990, even 2000, but today things are different.
And still, you don't seem to have addressed the point that P2P is allowing the music to get to many, many more people that it would through traditional means. Word of mouth is a far more powerful advertiser than any form of marketing, and sharing is allowing word of mouth to actually translate into fans much more immediately than it used to (as the paywall is down). Fans buy albums and merch and go to concerts, even if initially many of them no longer pay to become fans.

[hunter s.durden]

WTF, before the internet, bands released singles on the radio.  If you liked the singles, you went to the record shop and picked up the album.  When the hell did music fans become so fucking lazy? 

Because I'm broke.

If any of the artist I download go hungry, I will feed them and give them a place to stay until they get back on their feet.

[Triple Zero]

WTF, before the internet, bands released singles on the radio.  If you liked the singles, you went to the record shop and picked up the album.  When the hell did music fans become so fucking lazy?

what do you mean, lazy???

there's new technology that makes discovering new music a LOT easier, but using it is lazy?

c'mon ..