the ultimate hipocrisy in a post (an apt 5oth)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

DISCORDIANS!  STOP ARGUING!   

(not directed at roger or anyone else in particular, just the whole board)

no, no. have your beliefs and disagreements and make your perspective clear. if someone acts a way you dont like let them know, insult them sure, just dont throw tantrums if they refuse to change on your command, or if they insult you back.. what the fuck does it matter? if you don't like it, you'd better go hide in a small box because everyone hates something about you and if given cause would gladly make your life miserable for it.

You're not getting it.

yes, stop wasting your time on petty quibbles and pet peeves and fucking change the world already, you retarded bastards! you've got all the wisdom you need now.
there is no fucking power on earth greater than a group of humans intent on a cause. we created every machine that we constantly moan is controlling us. we built every prison that we're locked into. the tools we used to create we can use to liberate. ourselves, and anyone else we see fit to. we can enslave anyone, and hold sway over masses.

And?

dont you want to pwn this shit? might as well use whatever years we have to leave the biggest fucking impact a mortal being can, right?

Um, nope.

i mean sure, it's as valid as anything to want nothing more than teh lulz because you feel you have no power in the world,

Wait.  What? 

Boy, are YOU eating the wrong tamale.   

don't you want to raise hell?

Already am.  I have a life outside of this board, you know.

[Thurnez Isa]

I have a life outside of this board, you know.

FILTHY, FILTHY LIES

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Speaking personally, the internet is where I go to relax from Real Life.  I never take anything here seriously.  If people want to stir up shit or get their panties in a bunch, that's their business.  If they do that instead of "raising hell" that's still their business.  Yeah, it would be nice if we were all busy little constructive bees making the world a better place, but honestly there are hell of better places to do that.  I know I never treat this place as anything but a source of lulz.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

I have a life outside of this board, you know.

FILTHY, FILTHY LIES

Still waiting for those pictures Tigger

[AFK]

stop it immediately 

just shut up you beautiful bastards

this board is great because its inhabitants are great people, all of you. you have found the one truth and i love you for it, . every piece of chaos we can bring the world will be fun and good for all.

What is this "one truth" that we've supposedly found? 

we need it less than the others do. stop arguing with each other for the sweet merciful love of fuck and find where we agree, even if it's just in twos or threes at a time. it's those mindless blackiron imprisoned outside of this place we need to fuck with, don't waste your time turning apple-talk into a reality tv show (with infinitely more personality, of course, but there it is). get o:mf and spread that shit! be spontaneous with your chaos everywhere you go!

We are black-iron imprisoned as well.  We aren't special.  We aren't the world's saviours or anything.  We're monkeys just like the other monkeys. 

we should all shit hate at anything as we see fit, but ignore hateshit against us or anything we agree with. these strange times put us all within everyone's reach so we'd better grow a thick skin cuz a fuckload of people hate everything you do and love.

huh? 

too much of our time is spent testing the waters around each other: starting a topic with little more than a link inside just to see what wacky things the discordians will say about some typical news story, for example. preaching to the converted can be a trial for preaching to the outsiders, and can inspire and help the rest of us preach too, but it's still nothing on spending your time working on that nightmare outside.
you are a discordian! for the lulz is one thing, but there's a bit too much unconstructive waffle and bullshit here.

Oh boy.  Yet another one telling us we're doing it wrong.  Sorry the board doesn't operate the way you'd like to see it.  Please to be demonstrating for us what constitutes "constructive".  BTW in the past month, LMNO's offered up a great thread on the Paths/Shrapnel stuff as has Payne.  There have been other threads of new discussions started in TFY,S as well.  Apple Talk is for inanity and general conversation.  Just because certain things are occurring in the sub-forum does not mean there isn't anything going on anywhere else.  Also, we've started the Choose Your Own Adventure GASM.  So I fail to see how your generalist statement has any merit whatsoever.  It's just "unconstructive" bullshit. 

enough with the "if you come up with good ideas, you'll have to do all the legwork" type attitude. I really want into some discordian projects, but admit i haven't done anything of real value as of yet, but it takes no sense to see that you've all got spare time on your hands. give your time to eris, you know it'll be more fun than the christians are having.

Oh really?  Tell me, as someone who works 40 hours a week, co-ordinating Three state-wide programs, and as a father, and as a husband, and as a homeowner, and as someone who likes to occassionally just relax and chill out when I actually DO have spare time....where exactly is all of this "spare time" I supposedly have?  Hmm?  If you have it, congratulations, now why don't YOU start something? 

mainly just SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK, stop getting offended, stop trying to prove anything. we all have our beliefs and they're all true, but someone else goes a different way, go fuck with the infidel society outside. get angry at their stupid bullshit, not each others'.

Umm, okay.  Again, one does not exclude the others.  kthnxbai.

[bones]

this "one truth" that we've found is that there is no spoon?

we're the imprisoned monkeys that have started to see the bars, and so it is up to the leaders among us to educate the others, or we admit we have no hope whatsoever that we can start to unbuild our prison as a whole

if you didn't think we're any better off than them, why would you even be here?

apologies though, you're absolutely right, my bad, i've been getting lost in apple talk when i should be reading OMF and TFYS. should've thuoght to maybe not make a dick of myself over it.

certainly not just trying to piss you off though, wanted some honest opinions.

and im not saying that you have loads of spare time, but you have enough to read some stupid n00bs OKM thread (one that warns in the title that it's stupid) and take a shit on it.


so i offer you a big warm temporary welcome to the hypocrits cabal.. for telling me im doing it wrong because i told you you were doing it wrong



i am very sorry RWHN, and all, and thx for your patience. i needed at least one angry reply to vent on.

im off to find the mindfucks. quite sure im all done playing fuckwit now, feel free to let this thread die.

or kill me.

[Voodoo]

why can't we accordions all just get along?

[Cramulus]

I'm with you bones.

People come here for different reasons. Some come for social reasons, some like learning things, some like showing off what they've learned, some like big games, projects, pranks, and mischief. And a dozen other reasons. None of these are bad reasons to hang out on PD.

What irks me is that some people come here because they want to be a part of something cool, and then they don't do it. They want to get invested in the same group energy that produced the BIP, Colbertgasm, Postergasm, and a dozen other cool projects. But instead they waste their time trying to get everybody on the same page as them. They get distracted by all the monkeybusiness and forget that there are other ways to participate.

We've seen it so many times. Some newbie comes in, devours the content that's here, and has all this GO energy... then they get distracted and fade off. Maybe someone shouted at them, or maybe someone disagreed with them. Or maybe they put some effort into starting something and nobody ran with it. So they get frustrated, and they fade. I can't honestly blame them, but it's weak.

And that's the reason you've gotta be ready to do it yourself. It's not because the hivemind isn't interested in doing cool stuff, it's because it's easily distracted. Sometimes stuff works, sometimes stuff doesn't. I've learned that you have to overcome that fear that your project isn't going to take off, and just run with the flag yourself. If it looks fun, people will jump on board. If nobody jumps on board, and you're not willing to finish it yourself, your didn't deserve a finished project anyway. For every completed project, there are a hundred "We should do this..." posts. It's memetics at work.

I would LOVE it if some of the people who like pranks, projects, writings, games, mischief, etc, took
A) a more active role in CREATING that kind of content
B) a more active role in PARTICIPATING in that kind of content

because hey, I'm a lot more likely to help out with your project if you help out with mine. Same goes for everyone here, I think.


In closing, Bones, I think you've got some good restless energy. I hope you use it to propel yourself into cool things. I agree that PD is a force to be reckoned with - when we're focused. But trial and error have proven that the best way to focus everybody is not to soapbox, but to lead by example.

[Thurnez Isa]

theres a bounch of ppl that have Kopyleft stuff you can use for projects
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11808.0
you can use any of my writings here in or kill me... and i have another list in Poe as well (but ask first there please)
admittingly my stuff is probably a little too dark for cram's projects but it might appeal to other's projects

[Daruko]

this "one truth" that we've found is that there is no spoon?

we're the imprisoned monkeys that have started to see the bars, and so it is up to the leaders among us to educate the others, or we admit we have no hope whatsoever that we can start to unbuild our prison as a whole

if you didn't think we're any better off than them, why would you even be here?

apologies though, you're absolutely right, my bad, i've been getting lost in apple talk when i should be reading OMF and TFYS. should've thuoght to maybe not make a dick of myself over it.

certainly not just trying to piss you off though, wanted some honest opinions.

and im not saying that you have loads of spare time, but you have enough to read some stupid n00bs OKM thread (one that warns in the title that it's stupid) and take a shit on it.


so i offer you a big warm temporary welcome to the hypocrits cabal.. for telling me im doing it wrong because i told you you were doing it wrong



i am very sorry RWHN, and all, and thx for your patience. i needed at least one angry reply to vent on.

im off to find the mindfucks. quite sure im all done playing fuckwit now, feel free to let this thread die.

or kill me.

Okay, look... I like what I've seen from yuo so far Bones.  I like your attitude, but you are reminding me of some of my more idealistic selves here a bit, so lemme tell you what I think is wrong here.

The "one truth" is there is no spoon. <-- If you're hinting at the "Eternal Tao is not the Tao that can be described", or rather signifying a limitation of language, or more poignantly, that sweet realization that our Maps are not the Territory, then I would agree that it seems most of us here at least understand the metaphor at some level.   But speaking about it as if it is the "one truth" is to miss the point.  A zen master would laugh his ass off if you told him you had discovered the "one truth".   You're familiar with, "A conclusion is where you stopped thinking"?  Keep trying.

You see, it's easy to start thinking that WE (which easily translates to I) GET IT, and THEY (which easily translates to "not me") really truly DO NOT.   But it's important to remind yourself that you are STILL in fact a cosmic schmuck.   WE Discordians are not superior to anyone.  This superior/inferior mentality is part of the problem.   Some personal opinions on the matter: Converting the whole world to Discordianism wouldn't change a thing.     I'm not as eager as I once was to FIX the world.    I'd rather see MORE of it, then to try and change what I do not even understand.   The ignorant, the beliggerant, the violent and the stupid; they all have a place in this world.   

This "leaders among us" shit.... I don't have the time to go into this, but I would suggest you challenge you're own assumption that leaders are needed.   What do YUO need them for, and how exactly do you propose "WE" start to unbuild "OUR" prison as a whole?

I got a bit stuck in AppleTalk, or rather, in the social muck here at PD for a little while myself.  This is the same reason I feel more inclined to root for the nOObs when they come in with all their excitement, just as I did a short time ago.  I know what it's like to yearn for social interaction on a similar wavelength.  When I found out how large the Discordian community had grown on the intertubes, and came here, BEFORE I started posting like an ass (which you may notice, I STILL do), I was very excited.  I was ready to GET TO WORK!  Expectations are a bad idea.  I had this idealistic image of what a Dicordian community would be like (PARADISE, OF COURSE!).  After my little "internet breakdown" and some other shit that's easy to trace, and I'm sure others would be happy to link for you, I was forced to deal with my own expectations, and question them.   What ARE yuo really looking for here?   What are your expectations, and why do you feel that others (online or off) fail to meet them?  This comes right back to: why are yuo waiting for someone to lead yuo?   

Yes, it is important for someone to hold the reins when getting a project off the ground, but if you find yourself getting frustrated with "the community", then most likely I would bet that frustration is rooted in your OWN self-image.   If you wish the world to manifest desirables for you, you will have to do more than persuade it to do so.

I do not wish to preach with you (although my language/tone is messy, this is a fact).  I'm just hoping to share a bit of my perspective, because I feel that I've reached that failed-expectations-want-more-out-of-this idealistic hardspot too, and this problem seems to me, to originate from within, rather than out there in the "community".

And as I was writing this post, Cram comes along with his awesomeness with the perfect motorcycle:

In closing, Bones, I think you've got some good restless energy. I hope you use it to propel yourself into cool things. I agree that PD is a force to be reckoned with - when we're focused. But trial and error have proven that the best way to focus everybody is not to soapbox, but to lead by example.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

or kill me.

You're still doin' it wrong.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm with you bones.

People come here for different reasons. Some come for social reasons, some like learning things, some like showing off what they've learned, some like big games, projects, pranks, and mischief. And a dozen other reasons. None of these are bad reasons to hang out on PD.

What irks me is that some people come here because they want to be a part of something cool, and then they don't do it. They want to get invested in the same group energy that produced the BIP, Colbertgasm, Postergasm, and a dozen other cool projects. But instead they waste their time trying to get everybody on the same page as them. They get distracted by all the monkeybusiness and forget that there are other ways to participate.

We've seen it so many times. Some newbie comes in, devours the content that's here, and has all this GO energy... then they get distracted and fade off. Maybe someone shouted at them, or maybe someone disagreed with them. Or maybe they put some effort into starting something and nobody ran with it. So they get frustrated, and they fade. I can't honestly blame them, but it's weak.

1Again(A) he began to teach beside the sea. And a very large crowd gathered about him,(B) so that he got into a boat and sat in it on the sea, and the whole crowd was beside the sea on the land. 2And(C) he was teaching them many things in parables, and in his teaching he said to them: 3"Listen!(D) A sower went out to sow. 4And as he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it. 5Other seed fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil, and immediately it sprang up, since it had no depth of soil. 6And(E) when the sun rose, it was scorched, and since it had no root,(F) it withered away. 7Other seed fell among(G) thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain. 8And other seeds fell into good soil and produced grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirtyfold and sixtyfold and(H) a hundredfold." 9And he said, (I) "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
The Purpose of the Parables
10And(J) when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11And he said to them, (K) "To you has been given(L) the secret of the kingdom of God, but for(M) those outside everything is in parables, 12(N) so that

   "they(O) may indeed see but not perceive,
   and may indeed hear but not understand,
lest they(P) should turn and be forgiven."

13(Q) And he said to them, "Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14(R) The sower sows(S) the word. 15And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them. 16And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it(T) with joy. 17And they have no root in themselves, but(U) endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately(V) they fall away.[a] 18And others are the ones sown among thorns. They are those who hear the word, 19but(W) the cares of(X) the world and(Y) the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 20But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and(Z) bear fruit,(AA) thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

this "one truth" that we've found is that there is no spoon?

Then what did I stab the waiter with?

[AFK]

We've had this discussion before.  It's why some people went to EB & G and stayed there.  Not everyone who's here is all about producing things and working on projects.  We need to respect that.  It should not be assumed that all who come here will want to be engaged in that.  If that is going to be our expectation, then we'll have to start screening people, but I don't think anyone really wants to do that.  So that's why the DIY ethos is the only one that's going to drive things.  I don't think it's a negative if someone doesn't want to be involved beyond just discussing and posting here.  

Perhaps someone needs to start a site or board dedicated solely to producing Discordian works, OMF's, etc.  So you know that everyone is there is there to work.  I dunno, just thinking out loud.  I'd just hate for people here to feel bad or out of place because they aren't "doing anything."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

We've had this discussion before.  It's why some people went to EB & G and stayed there.  Not everyone who's here is all about producing things and working on projects.  We need to respect that.  It should not be assumed that all who come here will want to be engaged in that.  If that is going to be our expectation, then we'll have to start screening people, but I don't think anyone really wants to do that.  So that's why the DIY ethos is the only one that's going to drive things.  I don't think it's a negative if someone doesn't want to be involved beyond just discussing and posting here. 

Perhaps someone needs to start a site or board dedicated solely to producing Discordian works, OMF's, etc.  So you know that everyone is there is there to work.  I dunno, just thinking out loud.  I'd just hate for people here to feel bad or out of place because they aren't "doing anything."

Syn has volunteered his board many times.  It ain't the fastest server in the world, but that's actually GOOD for this sort of thing.