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Started by Verbal Mike, August 23, 2008, 09:12:02 PM

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Cain

#15
August 24, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
They totally ignored it, though.  America was infamous for copyright violations throughout the 18th century, and if they had followed it, the USA would probably look more like a giant Amish farm right now.  I also note it doesnt define the limited time period, often the main concern of serious copyright revision activists.

The time, apparently, was to be defined by federal law.  And so it has been.

Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Oh fuck, I don't want to be drawn into this debate again.  My point is fining someone in the region of $1000 per illegally downloaded song is exactly the same mentality as giving a kid 10 years in jail for smoking a spliff.  My comments about finding a better business model can found in Think For Yourself.

Well, that's a matter of divorcing congressmen from special interests (such as the RIAA).  My recommended approach for doing this is tarring and feathering.

1.  Then I see no problem with people agitiating for a change.  Most people worried about excessive copyright protection want to see people get paid, but they do want to deal with people who abuse the system - like Monsanto, or the pharmaceuticals, who either patent things they never owned or else use them to create monopolies for certain cures, which invariably cost more than many can afford.

2.  And therein lies the problem.

The Good Reverend Roger

#16
August 24, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
1.  Then I see no problem with people agitiating for a change.

Well, I don't see a PROBLEM with people yammering to have their property rights taken away, but I DO think it's FUNNY.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#17
August 24, 2008, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
1.  Then I see no problem with people agitiating for a change.

Well, I don't see a PROBLEM with people yammering to have their property rights taken away, but I DO think it's FUNNY.

I never said they should be taken away, only reduced in certain circumstances.

But if you're going to start playing that game with me...

The Good Reverend Roger

#18
August 24, 2008, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
1.  Then I see no problem with people agitiating for a change.

Well, I don't see a PROBLEM with people yammering to have their property rights taken away, but I DO think it's FUNNY.

I never said they should be taken away, only reduced in certain circumstances.

But if you're going to start playing that game with me...

Sorry, reflex from trolling DP.   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Requia ☣

#19
August 24, 2008, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 06:28:58 PM

So does copyright terms that are longer than the human lifespan,

Wait.  Ripping off Rudyard Kipling, then, is now "creating new work"?

Am I reading you right?

I'd say the Jungle Book movie was sufficiently bastardized to make it a semi original work.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

Cain

#20
August 24, 2008, 07:24:44 PM
DP?

Oh, wait.  I forgot that place still existed.  Hang on.

The Good Reverend Roger

#21
August 24, 2008, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 06:28:58 PM

So does copyright terms that are longer than the human lifespan,

Wait.  Ripping off Rudyard Kipling, then, is now "creating new work"?

Am I reading you right?

I'd say the Jungle Book movie was sufficiently bastardized to make it a semi original work.

So.

Let's encourage unoriginal thinking.

Yay.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

East Coast Hustle

#22
August 24, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
derivative =/= unoriginal.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

The Good Reverend Roger

#23
August 24, 2008, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on August 24, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
derivative =/= unoriginal.

Yes, that's how we got 8,000,000 college party movies that are all totally different from each other, for example.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Requia ☣

#24
August 24, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
And yet, most of those movies wouldn't be considered derivative, just crap.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

The Good Reverend Roger

#25
August 24, 2008, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
And yet, most of those movies wouldn't be considered derivative, just crap.

They are all derivative of Animal House.  Every last one of them.

But, hey, why have copyright laws?  Then they could call them ALL Animal House, and the original would get lost amongst the drek.

Why insist on originality for success?  Why not just allow people to rehash the same old shit, over and over again, and force feed it to the masses?  Fuck, why the hell not?  They'll buy ANYTHING.

Oh, wait?  Did I say "buy"?  I actually meant "download for free".

Because this is what this is all about, isn't it?  Nobody wants to pay for their music.  And they'll trash the constitution, the rule of law, and turn their nation into fucking BULGARIA to do it.

Fuck yeah.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Requia ☣

#26
August 24, 2008, 09:34:14 PM
Nobody but you is making this about getting things for free (well, I am making this about getting Wizard of Oz for free, but nothing made in the last 50 years).

Besides, its easier to get free shit from the library than pirate it.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

The Good Reverend Roger

#27
August 24, 2008, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 09:34:14 PM
Nobody but you is making this about getting things for free (well, I am making this about getting Wizard of Oz for free, but nothing made in the last 50 years).

Besides, its easier to get free shit from the library than pirate it.

So what's the problem?  You want to read Edgar Allan Poe, you go to the library.

You want to write a book of your own?  Come up with a new idea, instead of "deriving" (read: copying) The Tell-Tale Heart.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

fomenter

#28
August 24, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2008, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: Requiem on August 24, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
And yet, most of those movies wouldn't be considered derivative, just crap.

They are all derivative of Animal House.  Every last one of them.

But, hey, why have copyright laws?  Then they could call them ALL Animal House, and the original would get lost amongst the drek.

Why insist on originality for success?  Why not just allow people to rehash the same old shit, over and over again, and force feed it to the masses?  Fuck, why the hell not?  They'll buy ANYTHING.

Oh, wait?  Did I say "buy"?  I actually meant "download for free".

Because this is what this is all about, isn't it?  Nobody wants to pay for their music.  And they'll trash the constitution, the rule of law, and turn their nation into fucking BULGARIA to do it.

Fuck yeah.

Mrs Fme "from Bulgaria" tells me the pirated copies from Bulgaria are better quality than the originals which one of the reasons Bulgarian piracy is so common(she supports copy right law by the way)

"So she says to me, do you wanna be a BAD boy? And I say YEAH baby YEAH! Surf's up space ponies! I'm makin' gravy... Without the lumps. HAAA-ha-ha-ha!"


hmroogp

The Good Reverend Roger

#29
August 24, 2008, 09:48:24 PM
Quote from: fnord mote eris on August 24, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
Mrs Fme "from Bulgaria" tells me the pirated copies from Bulgaria are better quality than the originals which one of the reasons Bulgarian piracy is so common(she supports copy right law by the way)

No, Bulgarian piracy is so common because they have basically no intellectual property laws.  Ask her how their programming industry is coming along, would you?  :lol:  Oh, yeah, never mind.  Their economy might be totally crashed for the same reason, but at least they make high quality pirate copies.

That has to count for something.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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