OHEMGEE GUYS TRUE DISCORDIANS 23 ERIS FNORDLAWOFFIVESFNORD!

[Jenne]

I just think it's mean to razz someone about bullshit (good or bad smelling) when he's puking his guts out.  Seems an assholish thing to do...

[Manta Obscura]

I just got my Big Project finished, so I'm feeling a bit better. So I guess I'll do a bit of responding:

One-up your friend in pinealism until he realizes how retarded it sounds. 

That would have been my first line of defense against him, if I hadn't been feeling bad. It's a surprisingly good tool against the Lol23ers.

Telling someone they aren't 'respecting the Law of Fives' is bullshit, in my opinion, and I will call it bullshit.

People tend to get into Discordianism because they are sick of the rigidity of other paths, but then some get just as caught up in that same idiocy... its pointless.  If you want to be a fundie, be a fundie, but being a fundie in a religion or philosophy actually created to avoid that is idiotic.

It has nothing to do with rejecting the old memes, it has everything to do with not eating that fucking menu.

Come on, Rat.

I agree with everything you said... I'm just pointing out that Day one, or even Year One of finding Eris, doesn't necessarily bring you to a point where you can grok that. You are talking about the Meat of Discordianism... lots of n00bs are still on the Milk.

And my comment wasn't about smacking or not smacking the n00b, only that 'Should Know Better" and "Worse than Fundie Christians" seems a bit harsh....

I agree with both Rat and Hoopla, in different senses. I can understand what you're saying, Rat, about the ecstasy of finding memes that speak to you, and how they might want to repeat them. However, I share some of what Hoopla is saying about the newbie "knowing better." Running about reusing the memes isn't, in itself, dangerous, but codifying them into something evangelical is. That leads the new guy back into the same hole they got out of, and they risk losing a whole source of liberation simply because they invested themselves in it too strongly. If anyone ever catches me being a n00bish jerk, please put me in my place, too.

I can't sound all high and mighty about it, though, because my reaction wasn't altruistic or motivated by any deep, moving sense of concern for him. I was just being a dick.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I just got my Big Project finished, so I'm feeling a bit better. So I guess I'll do a bit of responding:

One-up your friend in pinealism until he realizes how retarded it sounds. 

That would have been my first line of defense against him, if I hadn't been feeling bad. It's a surprisingly good tool against the Lol23ers.

Telling someone they aren't 'respecting the Law of Fives' is bullshit, in my opinion, and I will call it bullshit.

People tend to get into Discordianism because they are sick of the rigidity of other paths, but then some get just as caught up in that same idiocy... its pointless.  If you want to be a fundie, be a fundie, but being a fundie in a religion or philosophy actually created to avoid that is idiotic.

It has nothing to do with rejecting the old memes, it has everything to do with not eating that fucking menu.

Come on, Rat.

I agree with everything you said... I'm just pointing out that Day one, or even Year One of finding Eris, doesn't necessarily bring you to a point where you can grok that. You are talking about the Meat of Discordianism... lots of n00bs are still on the Milk.

And my comment wasn't about smacking or not smacking the n00b, only that 'Should Know Better" and "Worse than Fundie Christians" seems a bit harsh....

I agree with both Rat and Hoopla, in different senses. I can understand what you're saying, Rat, about the ecstasy of finding memes that speak to you, and how they might want to repeat them. However, I share some of what Hoopla is saying about the newbie "knowing better." Running about reusing the memes isn't, in itself, dangerous, but codifying them into something evangelical is. That leads the new guy back into the same hole they got out of, and they risk losing a whole source of liberation simply because they invested themselves in it too strongly. If anyone ever catches me being a n00bish jerk, please put me in my place, too.

I can't sound all high and mighty about it, though, because my reaction wasn't altruistic or motivated by any deep, moving sense of concern for him. I was just being a dick.

I'm still torn on the position of beating the n00b or not...

On the one hand, it certianly seems to me that you gain the most benefit from Discordianism when you don't lock yourself down to any set of ideas.

On the other hand, there's a fine line between Thinking For Yourself, and telling someone else that they aren't Thinking For Themsleves and are therefore Wrong.

"You're doing it wrong" seems to have the same sort of riwsk in both directions... doesn't it?

"You said Fnord, you're doing it wrong!"
"You didn't pay heed to the Law of Fives, you're doing it worng"
"You repeat that old 23 meme, you're doing it wrong."
"You aren't reading the latest Discordian writings... You're doing it wrong."
"You believe in Eris, you're doing it wrong."
"You don't believe in Eris, You're doing it wrong."

As an early Church Father of the Discordian religion, I am often slapped with paternity suits. No, seriously, I am often called upon to settle points of doctrine, such as "Please tell So-and-So that he or she doesn't understand Discordianism, and I do."

In the first place, how do you know So-and-So doesn't understand Discordianism, if you don't even know what sex he or she is? And what is all this shit about who does or does not understand Discordianism? Who the hell cares?

If Discordianism was meant to be understood, it would be like Zen Buddhism. The greatest of all Discordians, Malaclypse the Younger, doesn't understand anything whatsoever about the religion he co-founded.

Only I, Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst, Bullgoose of the Discordian Orthodoxy, can really tell you what it's all about. And why should I? After all, I don't even know what sex you are. Moreover, Discordians are warned against personal contact with one another. Any theology to which I made significant contributions is going to attract plenty of screwballs.

Then again, if you want to spend the rest of your life arguing with some nut who believes flying saucers are only the first wave, to be followed soon by flying cups, that's your business. Why should I care if you get involved with the Manson Family or become a brainwashed zombie in a cult run by a crackpot who calls himself the Nine-Legged Jesus?

Also, sucks to be sick and I would have bitchslapped him as well... if I were about to puke on my shoes... just sayin'.

[Manta Obscura]

"You're doing it wrong" seems to have the same sort of riwsk in both directions... doesn't it?

"You said Fnord, you're doing it wrong!"
"You didn't pay heed to the Law of Fives, you're doing it worng"
"You repeat that old 23 meme, you're doing it wrong."
"You aren't reading the latest Discordian writings... You're doing it wrong."
"You believe in Eris, you're doing it wrong."
"You don't believe in Eris, You're doing it wrong."

I feel thoroughly ass-ish and put in my place (I hope this statement doesn't come across sarcastically, because I mean it in all seriousness).

Thanks for the perspective, Rat.

[Cramulus]

the content of the sermon
or the newness of the n00b
is irrelevant

If it was stupid misplaced advice,
and didn't make Manta feel better,
he was doing it wrong

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What Cram said.

Telling a friend that he's sick and having a shitty day because he's "doin' it wrong" is a DICK MOVE.

[East Coast Hustle]

Beat the fucking noob. Not until he "gets it", but until he stops filling your ear with mewling idiocy.

Then do the same to Rat, until he stops being such a fucking paladin.

that's my two cents.

[the last yatto]

[Manta Obscura]

I love Pearls Before Swine. My paper stopped printing it, though . . .

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

"You're doing it wrong" seems to have the same sort of riwsk in both directions... doesn't it?

"You said Fnord, you're doing it wrong!"
"You didn't pay heed to the Law of Fives, you're doing it worng"
"You repeat that old 23 meme, you're doing it wrong."
"You aren't reading the latest Discordian writings... You're doing it wrong."
"You believe in Eris, you're doing it wrong."
"You don't believe in Eris, You're doing it wrong."

I feel thoroughly ass-ish and put in my place (I hope this statement doesn't come across sarcastically, because I mean it in all seriousness).

Thanks for the perspective, Rat.

Don't.

There's noting wrong with your response. Neither of you are doing it wrong, your just doing it. To Cram's point, yeah, you felt ill, his Discordian nonsense didn't help, therefore he was doing "being a useful friend" wrong, but that hasn't necessarily got anything to do with Discordianism... maybe more to do with him bing self absorbed or just socially clueless...

The point I failed to make, was that the only time we're doing it wrong, might be when we yell at each other for doing it wrong. "Think for Yourself" doesn't particularly include "Also, Make Everyone Else Think For Themselves" or "Think For Yourself, and Judge IF Your Mates Are Thinking For Themselves".

So please don't feel like an asshole, I have seen nothing from any of your posts that would indicate that you were.

Also, ECH is right, I climb up on my white horse way too often

[Cramulus]

and for the record, if the Discordian in question had called up Manta and spouted 50 year old hippietalk at him
and it actually made Manta feel better,
then he's doing it right

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

and for the record, if the Discordian in question had called up Manta and spouted 50 year old hippietalk at him
and it actually made Manta feel better,
then he's doing it right

Cram, can I has your baby?

[Manta Obscura]

and for the record, if the Discordian in question had called up Manta and spouted 50 year old hippietalk at him
and it actually made Manta feel better,
then he's doing it right

Quite true, quite true.

[Triple Zero]

"You said Fnord, you're doing it wrong!"
"You didn't pay heed to the Law of Fives, you're doing it worng"
"You repeat that old 23 meme, you're doing it wrong."
"You aren't reading the latest Discordian writings... You're doing it wrong."
"You believe in Eris, you're doing it wrong."
"You don't believe in Eris, You're doing it wrong."

NO U!!

[Eater of Clowns]

What I can surmise from this is that it wasn't done right and it wasn't done wrong, it was done stupid.  If a guy's puking all over the place, stressed out at work, and generally having a bad day, real advice is "Dude, you need to go home, eat some chicken fucking soup, read some escapist shit, then sleep for 12 hours."  The highest amount of pressure put into the conversation ought to consist of "Go cough on the fucker's keyboard who gave you a hard time."

Anything more than that isn't advice, it's preaching.  And Discordian preaching won't be coming from a marble podium, it'll come from a rotted and caved in soap box containing sufficient rodent feces to spark a small outbreak of hantavirus.

This is, of course, coming from a n00b Discordian (my presence at these forums marks the length of my Discordianism +1 week), but if I've got it all turned around someone's going to say "go fornicate yourself with a stick," which might be the best thing for me, as it was for your buddy.