Do you believe in a soul?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Thanks Rat for bringing up the Chi thread. Prana/Qi/Chi.. all the terms lead back to signifiers for 'breath/movement/that which makes a living thing live'.

This whole thread is a clusterfuck of semantic tentacle-demon anime porn concepts trading labels like masks to confuse you all.

'Energy' in science (~science: a (meta)language that deals in observer-observed repeatable phenomena) means the ability to do work, to change the environment/subjects of the environment.

But in every day parlance, words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space.

~ A ball of mass m is placed at a distance h above the end of a vertical spring. The ball is then released and compresses the spring. The elastic constant of the spring is k. What is the maximum spring deformation? Show the Kinetic Energy, the Gravitational Potential Energy, and the Elastic Potential Energy at the beginning and end of the experiment. Assume no friction.




~"She's got so much pep and energy", her co-worker exclaimed.
~"Hey Bob, you look terrible. Run out of energy?" asked Fred.

Are either two characters talking about how far a steam-engine can push a 25lb weight? No, they are discussing some-one's internal mental state as expressed through the body.

Words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space. And here you are tossing the word 'Semantics' out like it's a fortune-cookie, merely something to ad a cheap joke to for a laugh.

SEMANTICS are the basis of all communication. Pay attention to your semantics, for the spaces between semantics are where the Fnords live. The best way we've found to model Information uses terms like Negative Entropy, and Coherence.

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and looses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

Beautiful!

[Chairman Risus]

At the risk of starting the all you can eat bullshit buffet back up, can someone explain the barstool to FProfit?

[Manta Obscura]

Thanks Rat for bringing up the Chi thread. Prana/Qi/Chi.. all the terms lead back to signifiers for 'breath/movement/that which makes a living thing live'.

This whole thread is a clusterfuck of semantic tentacle-demon anime porn concepts trading labels like masks to confuse you all.

'Energy' in science (~science: a (meta)language that deals in observer-observed repeatable phenomena) means the ability to do work, to change the environment/subjects of the environment.

But in every day parlance, words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space.

~ A ball of mass m is placed at a distance h above the end of a vertical spring. The ball is then released and compresses the spring. The elastic constant of the spring is k. What is the maximum spring deformation? Show the Kinetic Energy, the Gravitational Potential Energy, and the Elastic Potential Energy at the beginning and end of the experiment. Assume no friction.




~"She's got so much pep and energy", her co-worker exclaimed.
~"Hey Bob, you look terrible. Run out of energy?" asked Fred.

Are either two characters talking about how far a steam-engine can push a 25lb weight? No, they are discussing some-one's internal mental state as expressed through the body.

Words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space. And here you are tossing the word 'Semantics' out like it's a fortune-cookie, merely something to ad a cheap joke to for a laugh.

SEMANTICS are the basis of all communication. Pay attention to your semantics, for the spaces between semantics are where the Fnords live. The best way we've found to model Information uses terms like Negative Entropy, and Coherence.

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

Wow . . .

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Thanks Rat for bringing up the Chi thread. Prana/Qi/Chi.. all the terms lead back to signifiers for 'breath/movement/that which makes a living thing live'.

This whole thread is a clusterfuck of semantic tentacle-demon anime porn concepts trading labels like masks to confuse you all.

'Energy' in science (~science: a (meta)language that deals in observer-observed repeatable phenomena) means the ability to do work, to change the environment/subjects of the environment.

But in every day parlance, words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space.

~ A ball of mass m is placed at a distance h above the end of a vertical spring. The ball is then released and compresses the spring. The elastic constant of the spring is k. What is the maximum spring deformation? Show the Kinetic Energy, the Gravitational Potential Energy, and the Elastic Potential Energy at the beginning and end of the experiment. Assume no friction.




~"She's got so much pep and energy", her co-worker exclaimed.
~"Hey Bob, you look terrible. Run out of energy?" asked Fred.

Are either two characters talking about how far a steam-engine can push a 25lb weight? No, they are discussing some-one's internal mental state as expressed through the body.

Words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space. And here you are tossing the word 'Semantics' out like it's a fortune-cookie, merely something to ad a cheap joke to for a laugh.

SEMANTICS are the basis of all communication. Pay attention to your semantics, for the spaces between semantics are where the Fnords live. The best way we've found to model Information uses terms like Negative Entropy, and Coherence.

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

Wow . . .

And that's why I would have Telarus' baby... except for not having the necessary equipment to do so... 

[Manta Obscura]

Thanks Rat for bringing up the Chi thread. Prana/Qi/Chi.. all the terms lead back to signifiers for 'breath/movement/that which makes a living thing live'.

This whole thread is a clusterfuck of semantic tentacle-demon anime porn concepts trading labels like masks to confuse you all.

'Energy' in science (~science: a (meta)language that deals in observer-observed repeatable phenomena) means the ability to do work, to change the environment/subjects of the environment.

But in every day parlance, words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space.

~ A ball of mass m is placed at a distance h above the end of a vertical spring. The ball is then released and compresses the spring. The elastic constant of the spring is k. What is the maximum spring deformation? Show the Kinetic Energy, the Gravitational Potential Energy, and the Elastic Potential Energy at the beginning and end of the experiment. Assume no friction.




~"She's got so much pep and energy", her co-worker exclaimed.
~"Hey Bob, you look terrible. Run out of energy?" asked Fred.

Are either two characters talking about how far a steam-engine can push a 25lb weight? No, they are discussing some-one's internal mental state as expressed through the body.

Words can signify into two 'NameSpaces', the objectified-external non-simultaneously-apprehended Universe, and the subjective internally-projected mental-emotional I-space. And here you are tossing the word 'Semantics' out like it's a fortune-cookie, merely something to ad a cheap joke to for a laugh.

SEMANTICS are the basis of all communication. Pay attention to your semantics, for the spaces between semantics are where the Fnords live. The best way we've found to model Information uses terms like Negative Entropy, and Coherence.

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

Wow . . .

And that's why I would have Telarus' baby... except for not having the necessary equipment to do so... 

Alas, if only that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, "Junior," were closer to reality . . .

[Telarus]

My no-nonsense neo-pagan not-a-witch friend rolled into one of the local herbariums here in Portland. Upon chatting the cute, dreadlocked pagan behind the counter, said employee says, "Y'know, you really can't trust any of the doctors. Right?"

Stop.

Matrix pan to the right, as the scene flickers and revolves my friend finds herself thinking, "This chick is a fluffy idiot. Of course you have to trust some doctors, or the basis of society begins to breakdown as highly contagious diseases ravage large geographic areas. This person is stoooopid, and I don't need to take her seriously anymore."

Meanwhile, the cute register girl has merely made the semantic mistake of using language that references some imaginary state of 'Reality' where all medical professionals will cut your kidney out to sell on EbayChina, when what she really meant to express was: "Gee, some doctors I've gone to have refused to treat me like a human being, and that makes me Angry. Agree with me and we can hang out, 'cause our memes like each other and we can bitch about the medical profession, except this one cute doctor I saw..yadda, yadda, yadda."

Needless to say my friend left without buying anything, and she kept the grrrArghStoopidItHurts karma back home long enough to complain about it on liveJournal.

But public school and society has taught the cute register girl only to use language that references an external-objective reality and not internal-subjective space, so it goes through the USA2008 Filter and comes out, "Y'know, you really can't trust any of the doctors. Right?"

I figure nearly 40-60% of human miscommunication is due to the participants crunching incoming language signals through the wrong Grid, internal-emotional-I-space or external-nonsimultaneously~apprehended-objective-space. See, cute register girl was still making an accurate statement about part of Universe.... just the part in her brain-sack and meme-collection.

This is one of the most overlooked themes in NLP and most Occult systems, and 'is' the dualism embedded in our language that practices such as Zen sitting and walking meditations (and getting hit with sticks) tries to escape, if ever briefly, from.

WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW

Meme Collections: Gotta Catch them All.
~Hi, I'm Telarus, and I'm a Zenarchist Discordian, Erisian Pope, Illuminatus Primi, and Commodore to the Floating Republic of Mu. This comes in handy as I lounge in New Alamut, discussing LULZ and SRS BSNS with my Discordian, Subgenious, Satanic, Thelemic, Technocculty, Occultnik, Non-Linear, Weird friends. We hit each other with sticks. We're not fluffy and we never wear fuzzy bunny ears, except when we do. We're all Absolutely Infallible, except when we're not. Welcome to the EndGame, Aftermath, 2008. War is a fiction, join a Faction.

[Kai]

I'm even more excited to come to portland now. 

[Manta Obscura]

My no-nonsense neo-pagan not-a-witch friend rolled into one of the local herbariums here in Portland. Upon chatting the cute, dreadlocked pagan behind the counter, said employee says, "Y'know, you really can't trust any of the doctors. Right?"

Stop.

Matrix pan to the right, as the scene flickers and revolves my friend finds herself thinking, "This chick is a fluffy idiot. Of course you have to trust some doctors, or the basis of society begins to breakdown as highly contagious diseases ravage large geographic areas. This person is stoooopid, and I don't need to take her seriously anymore."

Meanwhile, the cute register girl has merely made the semantic mistake of using language that references some imaginary state of 'Reality' where all medical professionals will cut your kidney out to sell on EbayChina, when what she really meant to express was: "Gee, some doctors I've gone to have refused to treat me like a human being, and that makes me Angry. Agree with me and we can hang out, 'cause our memes like each other and we can bitch about the medical profession, except this one cute doctor I saw..yadda, yadda, yadda."

Needless to say my friend left without buying anything, and she kept the grrrArghStoopidItHurts karma back home long enough to complain about it on liveJournal.

But public school and society has taught the cute register girl only to use language that references an external-objective reality and not internal-subjective space, so it goes through the USA2008 Filter and comes out, "Y'know, you really can't trust any of the doctors. Right?"

I figure nearly 40-60% of human miscommunication is due to the participants crunching incoming language signals through the wrong Grid, internal-emotional-I-space or external-nonsimultaneously~apprehended-objective-space. See, cute register girl was still making an accurate statement about part of Universe.... just the part in her brain-sack and meme-collection.

This is one of the most overlooked themes in NLP and most Occult systems, and 'is' the dualism embedded in our language that practices such as Zen sitting and walking meditations (and getting hit with sticks) tries to escape, if ever briefly, from.

WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW

Meme Collections: Gotta Catch them All.
~Hi, I'm Telarus, and I'm a Zenarchist Discordian, Erisian Pope, Illuminatus Primi, and Commodore to the Floating Republic of Mu. This comes in handy as I lounge in New Alamut, discussing LULZ and SRS BSNS with my Discordian, Subgenious, Satanic, Thelemic, Technocculty, Occultnik, Non-Linear, Weird friends. We hit each other with sticks. We're not fluffy and we never wear fuzzy bunny ears, except when we do. We're all Absolutely Infallible, except when we're not. Welcome to the EndGame, Aftermath, 2008. War is a fiction, join a Faction.

You kinda lost me at "Gotta Catch them All," but overall, mittens aplenty to you. This whole post is a good reminder of how language is really less of an objective, straightforward system of meaning transmission and more of a collective of situational and contextual placeholders for internal intellection.

Tangentially, it's weird that a lot of posts keep on heading back towards language, semantics, grammar, etc. recently. There's been the Language Responsibility Project thread, the Chi definition thread, this thread about souls . . . I think NaNoWriMo is getting people all psyched up on language or something.

[Vene]

Meanwhile, the cute register girl has merely made the semantic mistake of using language that references some imaginary state of 'Reality' where all medical professionals will cut your kidney out to sell on EbayChina

A part of me died the day I realized that.  I think it was also the day I changed my major.

[Golden Applesauce]

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

I'd be willing to grant misunderstanding of terms here, if he didn't specifically state that the energy he was referring to was equivalent to mass.  Coherence/Coordination/Signal isn't equivalent to mass, so it couldn't be the type of energy that he was talking about.

Only energy in the capacity-to-do-work sense has to be conserved.  Asking were it went is a valid question.
Energy in the 'common' sense is not conserved.  Demanding to know where it went is nonsensical, as it could just be destroyed.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

I'd be willing to grant misunderstanding of terms here, if he didn't specifically state that the energy he was referring to was equivalent to mass.  Coherence/Coordination/Signal isn't equivalent to mass, so it couldn't be the type of energy that he was talking about.

Only energy in the capacity-to-do-work sense has to be conserved.  Asking were it went is a valid question.
Energy in the 'common' sense is not conserved.  Demanding to know where it went is nonsensical, as it could just be destroyed.

You're assuming he wasn't stuck in a neurolinguistic hallucination

[Golden Applesauce]

Which leads us to this gem:

So first off, yes, I do believe in a soul.  Now for the brain hurty part of the post.

Most religions and beliefs share that a human/talking monkey holds some sort of cosmic energy that exist through out the universe and have called it a soul.  Here is we know from various speculations out there.  Mass and Energy are one and the same only in different states.  The body requires energy to function.  When a body dies that energy is gone.  As that energy has mass, it can be concluded that when a body dies its mass decreases due to the energy becoming non-existent.  Where that energy goes? Who knows, but we know it must go somewhere as if it didn't the body would just keep moving about on its own.  Maybe that is how zombies come into existence, dead bodies that fail to discharge properly.

Or I could be lying.

What he's really asking is about the body's Coherence, it's Coordination, it's Will, it's Chi. The ability for it to coordinate enough muscles to suddenly hoist up the jury rigged scaffolding of bones and sinew and run the fuck away from me as I swing my blade at it. Whatever Coherence it has usually leaves after the body gets stabbed a few times and loses Coordination of breath and circulation.

WHERE DOES THE SIGNAL GO! he means to scream.

But no, he mistakenly grabs the term 'Energy' from the societal narrative and then runs to the Model that has claimed that term, Energy. The proponents of the Model point and laugh at him.

Strife allows a smile to flutter on her lips. Semantics.

I'd be willing to grant misunderstanding of terms here, if he didn't specifically state that the energy he was referring to was equivalent to mass.  Coherence/Coordination/Signal isn't equivalent to mass, so it couldn't be the type of energy that he was talking about.

Only energy in the capacity-to-do-work sense has to be conserved.  Asking were it went is a valid question.
Energy in the 'common' sense is not conserved.  Demanding to know where it went is nonsensical, as it could just be destroyed.

You're assuming he wasn't stuck in a neurolinguistic hallucination

If he's stuck in a neurolinguistic hallucination, then he's really better off not trying to use words at all now, is he?

[bones]

[...me being an asshole...]

[...FP mixing his pseudoscience with bad zombie jokes and pissing everyone off... ]

FP framed his beliefs in pseudoscientific language, which makes them seem cheesy to a great many people (myself included) and easy to pick on.

The notion that a body's mass decreases is based on relatively poor scientific methodology, so there is no reason to see it as more than quack science. On top of that leap of faith, there is the rather awkward phrase "the energy becoming non-existent," followed by "Where that energy goes?" This is a contradiction, and the former statement violates untold hours of research that says quite definitively that energy does not just 'cease to exist.'

Trying to dismiss this as scientific arrogance is nothing short of insulting. Yes, scientists can be very fucking arrogant, and yes, science does overturn its own theories, but that is a pretty lame excuse for trying to pass off a theory that involves some sort of unidentified "energy" that is responsible for zombies as plausible.
So which is more arrogant: making ultimately tentative claims about the physical nature of reality based on empirical experiments and observation (often times, countless amounts of both), thus creating working theories that can be used to explain real phenomena? Or dismissing all that as "just a theory" and claiming that armchair intellectualism is equally likely to be true, because "everything is a possibility," resulting in theories that explain nothing and terminate further inquiry rather than inviting it?

This line of thinking supports the belief that all evidence for evolution was fabricated by incredibly advanced aliens that operate in a physical dimension outside our own, and therefore we cannot see any evidence for them. Keep wanking away at the little postmodernist in your head and you can reason that it's impossible to objectively prove that this is not true.
But it's a worthless hypothesis because it doesn't explain shit.

It's the exact same kind of thinking that leads to all that "quantum" bullshit out there.

I can see your point totally, and I do pretty much totally disagree with FP's original post, I just think it's better to leave a bit of room for miscommunication and even pseudoscience than to turn every disagreement and false claim into a flame-war.
Clearly this is why biologists tend not to bother debating creationists.

People of good scientific background are gonna know he's talking crap anyway, so flame such posts all you want, but do it for fun and lulz, not for the good of the gullible masses, who will always believe whatever they like the sound of.
I would advise all scientists to present a thoughtful, useful, and pleasant worldview instead of constantly spewing hate-filled bile about why we're all wrong. [/how Richard Dawkins made me resent atheism]
Not that any of  this really matters in a discordian forum. I just thought it was a shame that a fun thread had turned into a hatefest. Seems better again now:  A full round of mittens to telarus for his 'semantics' post.

bones,
- would rather everyone be a new-ageist retard than have to deal with everyone being violently pissed off all the time.

(sorry this is 4 pages late - ignore me)

[Kai]

[...me being an asshole...]

[...FP mixing his pseudoscience with bad zombie jokes and pissing everyone off... ]

FP framed his beliefs in pseudoscientific language, which makes them seem cheesy to a great many people (myself included) and easy to pick on.

The notion that a body's mass decreases is based on relatively poor scientific methodology, so there is no reason to see it as more than quack science. On top of that leap of faith, there is the rather awkward phrase "the energy becoming non-existent," followed by "Where that energy goes?" This is a contradiction, and the former statement violates untold hours of research that says quite definitively that energy does not just 'cease to exist.'

Trying to dismiss this as scientific arrogance is nothing short of insulting. Yes, scientists can be very fucking arrogant, and yes, science does overturn its own theories, but that is a pretty lame excuse for trying to pass off a theory that involves some sort of unidentified "energy" that is responsible for zombies as plausible.
So which is more arrogant: making ultimately tentative claims about the physical nature of reality based on empirical experiments and observation (often times, countless amounts of both), thus creating working theories that can be used to explain real phenomena? Or dismissing all that as "just a theory" and claiming that armchair intellectualism is equally likely to be true, because "everything is a possibility," resulting in theories that explain nothing and terminate further inquiry rather than inviting it?

This line of thinking supports the belief that all evidence for evolution was fabricated by incredibly advanced aliens that operate in a physical dimension outside our own, and therefore we cannot see any evidence for them. Keep wanking away at the little postmodernist in your head and you can reason that it's impossible to objectively prove that this is not true.
But it's a worthless hypothesis because it doesn't explain shit.

It's the exact same kind of thinking that leads to all that "quantum" bullshit out there.

I can see your point totally, and I do pretty much totally disagree with FP's original post, I just think it's better to leave a bit of room for miscommunication and even pseudoscience than to turn every disagreement and false claim into a flame-war.
Clearly this is why biologists tend not to bother debating creationists.

People of good scientific background are gonna know he's talking crap anyway, so flame such posts all you want, but do it for fun and lulz, not for the good of the gullible masses, who will always believe whatever they like the sound of.
I would advise all scientists to present a thoughtful, useful, and pleasant worldview instead of constantly spewing hate-filled bile about why we're all wrong. [/how Richard Dawkins made me resent atheism]
Not that any of  this really matters in a discordian forum. I just thought it was a shame that a fun thread had turned into a hatefest. Seems better again now:  A full round of mittens to telarus for his 'semantics' post.

bones,
- would rather everyone be a new-ageist retard than have to deal with everyone being violently pissed off all the time.

(sorry this is 4 pages late - ignore me)

I give a shit, but on the other hand, I enjoy jumping on psuedoscience so much that I don't give a shit.

Plus, you put me in the same boat as Dawkins.

[P3nT4gR4m]

If I found myself in a boat with Dawkins I'd argue with him just for the hell of seeing that smarmy look drop off his face when I proved him wrong