I say Give it to them

[Thurnez Isa]

More and more I'm thinking we should give it to them.

I'm talking about all these bronze age knuckleheads who want to throw us back to the equivalent of dark age scientific knowledge and technology.

One thing that modern science has done is spoil people.
All the disciplines merge together to give us knowledge which leads not only to a better understanding of our reality, but to technologies and advantages that saves lives - or just make our life a little easier.
We have put satellites into space, come to some understanding of bacterial evolution, come up with ways to modify yield as to feed more people.
We have also come to understand crucial knowledge about the processes on, above and under our own planet - understanding which could help prevent disasters.

If people don't want this, then perhaps they don't deserve it. Maybe living without our cellphones, vaccines, abundance of food will in the end be good for people.
They will see that just about everything which makes their life more comfortable then the people who's mythology they so admire comes from hard work, observation and rational experimentation, not by trying to reformat your reality to suit what you want to believe.
They will see that praying to some invisible space daddy is not going to cure their cancer, allow for telecommunication, or save them from themselves. Janet Folger wass just wrong - the bible is not the cutting edge of scientific knowledge.

So those who want reality to conform to your believe system, remember the old adage, "be careful what you wish for."

[Iason Ouabache]

I've been feeling this a lot lately too. I'm tempted to say we should let the Dominionists have what they want. Let's give them a section of Montana or South Carolina. Let them have their own little isolated area where they can teach their kids about "Godly" science and history. Give them their own theocracy to play in and watch it crumble completely within 20 years.

Then I remember that they will probably take a lot of guns with them.

[Corvidia]

If we ask nicely, Canada might let us borrow a bit of Quebec for a while.

[Kai]

I've been saying this for a while now.

They don't want science? Let them have leeches!

[Jenne]

Nooooo!  Science is what saved my husband when he was dying 2 years ago!

I say we do with them what the Fundies want done with everyone they can't stand atm (gays, Muslims, Obama) and put them on an island and blow them up.

But seriously, anti-science people are actually a crack-up, mostly because of the lail streaming from their nostrils if they ever HAVE to go without their teevee, cell phones or automatic windows and doorlocks for just a little while.  They start to implode.

[Thurnez Isa]

I tended to focus on fundies... because they are just are really easy target...
but New Agers, and most Wiccan/Neopagans fall into the same category... and those fucknuts from that 2012 documentary I watched last night

[Jenne]

  Yeah...the New Agers crack me up no end as well.

[fomenter]

http://www.halos.com/
/face palm
late night tv has restored my faith in humanity
new earthers


tv show on why the earth is only 6000 yrs old best ROLF i have had in some time

this was the cherry on the top of my day yesterday
if any one wants some good scientific comedy they have videos on line 

[Thurnez Isa]

I would have to read more of his articles and do some research to form an opinion
but already i could tell you that he assumes that granite is formed by crystallization, which is what would be written in most books on the subject, but that is just because it is usually formed by crystallization. Some granite is formed by replacement, but is very rare.

As for Polonium Halos, I know they are only found in Granite up where I am on the Canadian shield where there is high uranium content and in rocks that have been exposed and reworked by glaciation and other environmental factors for millions of years, and only in the Granite not the Basalt or the Mica.
To be honest I don't know why they are there... I'm not even sure if anyone knows for conclusively why... but it's funny that to my knowledge it's only found in one kind of rock in generally one place.

[Cain]

I've always believed this would be a good idea - so long as people who didn't believe or agree, or came to eventually disagree after seeing it in practice, could leave easily.  A sort of open market on social organization, if you wiill.  Sadly, it rarely ever works out that way, and since most available land already belongs to someone too...

[Darth Cupcake]

I agree with this, except in the freaky part of "then we're stuck there" and all that.

We'd need to put them behind walls. Or in Alaska or Australia or something, so that they are separated from everyone else. It's like a disease--they must be quarantined. And then... hell yes, let them get what they wish for.

[Thurnez Isa]

I would have to read more of his articles and do some research to form an opinion
but already i could tell you that he assumes that granite is formed by crystallization, which is what would be written in most books on the subject, but that is just because it is usually formed by crystallization. Some granite is formed by replacement, but is very rare.

As for Polonium Halos, I know they are only found in Granite up where I am on the Canadian shield where there is high uranium content and in rocks that have been exposed and reworked by glaciation and other environmental factors for millions of years, and only in the Granite not the Basalt or the Mica.
To be honest I don't know why they are there... I'm not even sure if anyone knows for conclusively why... but it's funny that to my knowledge it's only found in one kind of rock in generally one place.

Ok missed English to read his short two articles in Science... Mainly cause his question is legitimate.. they both came out late 60's and early 70's, and non of them mention anything about young earth philosophy, and then all his later articles came out in Creation Science articles... so I got suspicious.
I did some research and found he took his samples from young dikes with high uranium... I think uranium precipitated into the granite, granite is not as solid as people think.
MMMM I will find out though, hell Im missing class due to this shit... well it's English so who gives a fuck

[Thurnez Isa]

I would have to read more of his articles and do some research to form an opinion
but already i could tell you that he assumes that granite is formed by crystallization, which is what would be written in most books on the subject, but that is just because it is usually formed by crystallization. Some granite is formed by replacement, but is very rare.

As for Polonium Halos, I know they are only found in Granite up where I am on the Canadian shield where there is high uranium content and in rocks that have been exposed and reworked by glaciation and other environmental factors for millions of years, and only in the Granite not the Basalt or the Mica.
To be honest I don't know why they are there... I'm not even sure if anyone knows for conclusively why... but it's funny that to my knowledge it's only found in one kind of rock in generally one place.

Ok missed English to read his short two articles in Science... Mainly cause his question is legitimate.. they both came out late 60's and early 70's, and non of them mention anything about young earth philosophy, and then all his later articles came out in Creation Science articles... so I got suspicious.
I did some research and found he took his samples from young dikes with high uranium... I think uranium precipitated into the granite, granite is not as solid as people think.
MMMM I will find out though, hell Im missing class due to this shit... well it's English so who gives a fuck

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/gentry/conclusi.htm
well that didn't take long
it's not a well written article but it seems my hypothesis of precipitating uranium into young dikes might actuality be right

The samples of biotite that contain Gentry's Po halos came from pegmatite dikes and calcite vein-dikes that cross-cut metamorphosed volcanic, sedimentary and igneous rock units - the dikes are clearly the last to form, not the first;

There are several lines of evidence supporting the idea that a uranium-rich fluid precipitated the Polonium:

       1. The very fact that Gentry's halos occur in areas of unusually high uranium mineraliration and metamorphism (including his fluorite samples shown in his book, which came from the Wolsendorf fluorite deposit) in Germany (B. Dressier, personal communication, 1988));
       2. There are no halos for the thorium decay chain, even though, because of the insolubility of thorium compounds (Brown, 1987), the thorium to uranium ratio is over 5:1 in the Faraday pegmatite:
       3. No halos have been found in lunar rocks:
       4. The dikes of the sites listed above have different origins (magmatic -- Faraday, pegmatites and hydrothermal -- Silver Crater/Fission) which suggest that the halos may be connected with a post magmatic or later common origin;
       5. The uranium mineralization is primarily a precipitation event (mainly in mafic minerals like biotite) in a reducing environment near the contact of the wall-rock and in fractures and cleavages in the case of the Faraday pegmatite (Masson and Gordon, 1981);
       6. Oxygenated fluids rich in fluorine, phosphorus, and carbon dioxide readily dissolve uranium and increase the fluid's mobility (Masson and Gordon, 1981).

(Originally published in the May 1988 Issue of the Journal of Geological Education)


See being a member of the Geological Society of America has it's perks
like a kick ass search engine

[Cain]

One of the main reasons I want to go back to University is for free access to JSTOR again. 

[fomenter]

i knew a real geologist would find holes in the arguments (i am related to one). the part where they have dinosaurs and humans coexisting till the big flood had me laughing manically and face palming bruises into my forehead last night..