Right America Feeling Wronged

[Thurnez Isa]

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7294526473944146040&ei=hJThSayiFcqK-QaQwpGUCQ&q=Documentaries&hl=en&dur=3&st=day&client=firefox-a

an HBO documentary about right americans feelings during the election...
probably older and dont know how long the link will be up
its actually directed by Nancy Pelosi's daughter who does a fairly decent job
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obviously the ignorance and proud ignorance is neat
but what amazes me the disconnect between people. Theres this scene early on where a campaigner knows her neighbors are lesbians who put a barrack obama sign in their lawn and the campaigner is actually scared of getting into a fight with them... like actually scared... or when the same person later goes and tries to convince black voters to vote mccain... or the one american who thinks there will be a war in Europe if barrack obama is president... and more then that...

if I ever go to the states I wanna talk to these people... they're so fascinating

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

awful self righteous fucks.

[rubickspoop]

these people are fascinating, sure. but when they are fucking EVERYWHERE, they get tiresome awfully quickly.

[Jenne]

I've seen this.  It's...a little gruesome, actually, the level of hate that's still around the US.  Ugh.  Got such a nasty feeling while watching this.

[Cramulus]

I watched a bit of this before leaving for work today. Very interesting stuff! have reposted elsewhere

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

I grew up around these people.
Those who say "it's just the way we are, the way we were raised", that's bullshit.
I didn't turn out that way at all.

Those people are the ones to be afraid of. Not Obama, not getting in a fight with lesbians, those people.
They're the type that burn down houses and drag people behind their truck. Pick on the black kids for being black. Beat up the black guy that gets hired over the white guy and yells about inequality.

Many here have changed over the last couple of years, but it surely isn't a giant leap of progress. My ex-father-in-law (it pains me to even call him that) has such a big problem with black people that he makes comments at interracial couples, still throws around the "N" word like it's o.k. and won't watch a movie if there's a black president or black man in charge of anything.

For that and many other reasons I won't get into, my son doesn't go over to that house. And his father agrees with me. "Why make the kid suffer?" you ask? He doesn't miss him.
And we'll leave it at that.

Not all rednecks are bad people though. I find Ted Nugent fascinating. It's just the majority that think this way that bother me. I don't like it and I don't want my son growing up thinking that it's o.k. to think you're superior to someone else because of skin color.

[Cain]

What was it, that the right was crowing about back in 2004?

Oh right, it was "you lost, hippie" and "get over it".

You lost wingnuts, get over it.

[Iason Ouabache]

What was it, that the right was crowing about back in 2004?

Oh right, it was "you lost, hippie" and "get over it".

You lost wingnuts, get over it.

Easier said than done. We are talking about a group of people whose worldview can basically be broken down to "Change is very very bad." When there is too many change too quickly something breaks in their head. They get scared. Some of them get violent in hopes of turning back the clock. These people scare the fuck out of me.

[Da6s]

My favorite are the religious whackjobs that 4 years ago where yelling at me holding signs saying that "god wanted bush to win".


Now they're praying in tongues "may god strike obama dead".

It's funny how things work out.

[Thurnez Isa]

@ Squid
what I'm fascinated by is the level of honesty, and the fact it's so blatant and people willing to talk about their irrational fears on camera.
Up here in the North we have the same ideas, in fact it might be actually MORE inbred, but the fear is directed towards different groups. English vs French, Northern Ontario vs Southern Ontario, Everyone vs Natives, Straights vs Gays, 2nd Generation of Northerners vs new Immigrants, ect... And because we don't have as much as national identity as Americans old world prejudices remain even up to 3rd or 4th generations.
The thing is there is this almost unspoken rule that this remains private, and you don't talk about it publicly, especially if the cameras are rolling. It sort of remains in private conversations, and for some reason coffee shops. I could just sit back at Tim Hortons and get bombarded by it. And if pushed on people deny what they just said, and even deny it when they act on it... such as the rash of gay bashings that remember in high school.
That's what I find neat. Up here everything is more dishonest and harder to gage. And to me, at least, this makes it even uglier.

[Jenne]

What was it, that the right was crowing about back in 2004?

Oh right, it was "you lost, hippie" and "get over it".

You lost wingnuts, get over it.

Easier said than done. We are talking about a group of people whose worldview can basically be broken down to "Change is very very bad." When there is too many change too quickly something breaks in their head. They get scared. Some of them get violent in hopes of turning back the clock. These people scare the fuck out of me.

Your words are exactly my thoughts as I watched that.  It was like some horror film.

[Dysnomia]

  I work with people like this...actually got into an argument with my bosses husband (when his WIFE--my boss--was asking me about my boyfriend...not politics).  Apparently now I have debate street cred with the office ladies, because I wouldn't take his shit when he shoved his crap down my throat and told me that I can have my own views but not to act on them because they affect his family.   

[Corvidia]

So, so much horrormirth. And I'm also kind of amused that the guy with the flag on his truck is disrespecting the flag. You're not supposed to let the end get frayed like that.

I live with people like this. My parents aren't really the flag waving type, or so extreme/extra extra crazy, really, but most of this was and is their views. They claim to be kidding when they talk about baseball bats and homosexuals, and the evils of all middle easterners, but they're really not. I have Middle Eastern friends and my parents were initially displeased, especially about my Persian friend.

Also, I love that these people are the same demographic as my customers who buy Grand Theft Auto. And can I shoot the guy around 29:00 and then everybody after that except the guy around 38:00? They has the dumb and they has it bad.
Ugh, Roger is right - America deserves everything it gets.

[Cramulus]

finished watching this last night.

wow.

it's pretty interesting in that it shows some really moronic people saying moronic things. I hope hope hope hope hope those people don't represent the average midwesterner :-P

I mean the videographer is Nancy Pelosi's daughter, so there's definitely an agenda. I think Alex Pelosi is furthering the gap between the "two americas". I watched some interviews with her on Rachel Maddow and Hannity, and it does sound like she's trying to somehow heal the rift -- but she's really just reenforcing it. I mean, I haven't felt so alienated from the midwest since... errr.... well the last 4 years of the bush administration made me feel pretty alienated.

she does a good job of showing that part of America really isn't ready for what Barack was cookin'

it also shows how much damage fox news is doing to public discourse

these people are really buying into the retarded talking points - like there are people who were really shaken by the fact that obama took off his american flag lapel pin one time. That's like a primary issue for some people.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

finished watching this last night.

wow.

it's pretty interesting in that it shows some really moronic people saying moronic things. I hope hope hope hope hope those people don't represent the average midwesterner :-P

I mean the videographer is Nancy Pelosi's daughter, so there's definitely an agenda. I think Alex Pelosi is furthering the gap between the "two americas". I watched some interviews with her on Rachel Maddow and Hannity, and it does sound like she's trying to somehow heal the rift -- but she's really just reenforcing it. I mean, I haven't felt so alienated from the midwest since... errr.... well the last 4 years of the bush administration made me feel pretty alienated.

she does a good job of showing that part of America really isn't ready for what Barack was cookin'

it also shows how much damage fox news is doing to public discourse

these people are really buying into the retarded talking points - like there are people who were really shaken by the fact that obama took off his american flag lapel pin one time. That's like a primary issue for some people.

From where I am in the Midwest, it appears that about 35% of the population acts like this. The rest of us try to ignore them. I have friends that are Republicans, some hard core and voted for Bush and McCain, but even they think these people are nuts. One of my friends came back from a Bush rally in 2000 and she was upset that people were saying things like "Speak O man of God!" she is very religious and very Republican and very sure that something has gone horribly wrong in the minds of many of her fellow GOP. I can say the same for at least 8 other GOPers I know.