Purposes and goals of mindfucks

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You obviously don't know anything about me if you think I'm bothered by talk of Emergence.

I wasn't trying to bother you at all. I only mentioned Emergence because I see it as a superset of Evolution. What bothers you about it?

If anyone was still doubting that this guy is trolling...

? I see emergence as the ability of the universe to create order from disorder - a solar system is "neater" than a massive cloud of interstellar dust. I see evolution as the way emergence acts on the level of species. I guess the super- or sub- set definition is relative, but that is the level of my understanding as it is.

I haven't read the hundreds of thousands of posts on this forum, and if I'm mixing up my terms then it might be easier to just correct me than to just assume that I'm trying to piss you off.

Nice edit, fictionpuss. I put back what you edited out, which is where Kai says "You obviously don't know anything about me if you think I'm bothered by talk of Emergence." which you followed up with "I wasn't trying to bother you at all. I only mentioned Emergence because I see it as a superset of Evolution. What bothers you about it?"

That was clumsy. Your cover is blown, troll over.

I routinely snip older quotes as I think they get ugly and don't help clarity. I didn't understand why you thought what I had said there was indicative of a troll, which is why I asked for clarification. If I had understood what you were meaning, then why would I purposefully try to "hide" the "evidence", the removal of which would be "proof" that you were right?

It seems like you already made up your mind before I posted. Are you still upset about me putting your avatar in that picture yesterday? It was just for fun, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Didn't even see it. And yes, you are a clumsy troll, it's true. It was a nice, if transparent, attempt at baiting Kai.

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I don't know about fallacies. You're biggest downfall is using many big words and difficult concepts in awkward ways, using a completely different language set than your audience, and expecting them to understand.

I had been trying to get at that, but you just said it the best.

[Captain Utopia]

I don't know about fallacies. You're biggest downfall is using many big words and difficult concepts in awkward ways, using a completely different language set than your audience, and expecting them to understand.

Understood. Over time I hope to improve on this.

Emergence simply happens (for whatever reason; maybe because It's required for anything to exist). Evolution is what happens in a nonstatic universe.

You haven't defined your terms. What is "the working of the universe"? What is "insight"? You use words in ways that are unfamiliar and you give no context for their meaning. When a reader fails to come to terms with the author, that is, when the reader fails to understand the terms (be they words or phrases) the author uses with the author's intended meaning, there is no common ground for the reader and author to work from.

By "the workings of the universe" I meant the singular force/property which makes things happen, over time, in the way they do. As I said, it is an awfully big umbrella.

By "insight" I meant an understanding of how two or more things are related.

[Captain Utopia]

Didn't even see it. And yes, you are a clumsy troll, it's true. It was a nice, if transparent, attempt at baiting Kai.

Your proof that I am a troll is not convincing. I'm only responding to you because last time I ignored a comment that I was some alt, and then within days I was apparently four different alts! Paranoia needs strangling. It's self-destructive.

If you gave a shit, you could prove easily that I am not a troll/alt. If you don't give a shit, why are you so concerned about me?

[Thurnez Isa]

By "the workings of the universe" I meant the singular force/property which makes things happen, over time, in the way they do.

[Kai]

I don't know about fallacies. You're biggest downfall is using many big words and difficult concepts in awkward ways, using a completely different language set than your audience, and expecting them to understand.

Understood. Over time I hope to improve on this.

Emergence simply happens (for whatever reason; maybe because It's required for anything to exist). Evolution is what happens in a nonstatic universe.

You haven't defined your terms. What is "the working of the universe"? What is "insight"? You use words in ways that are unfamiliar and you give no context for their meaning. When a reader fails to come to terms with the author, that is, when the reader fails to understand the terms (be they words or phrases) the author uses with the author's intended meaning, there is no common ground for the reader and author to work from.

By "the workings of the universe" I meant the singular force/property which makes things happen, over time, in the way they do. As I said, it is an awfully big umbrella.

By "insight" I meant an understanding of how two or more things are related.

1) Ahh, so this is about First Cause. Sorry, can't help you there. I usually go with Emergence being the metaforce behind creativity but I don't know about the First Cause, whatever that might have been. You could say that I believe Emergence came with the First Cause, but what the first cause was (energy interacting with energy?) I have no clue.


2) Why would you want to throw /that/ out?

[Captain Utopia]

By "the workings of the universe" I meant the singular force/property which makes things happen, over time, in the way they do.

I know it's not a popular notion, but it does bring us back to an earlier point - how to prove that there isn't such a force?

[Thurnez Isa]

and it goes back what I keep saying and your too dense or stupid to realize
the burden proof is not on nonexistence but on existence
and if you think otherwise I have a magic, invisible unicorn in a mason jar I wish to sell you

[Brotep]

Fictionpuss, I for one don't care whether you're a troll.  But either way, your posts really are half-incomprehensible.

I'm reminded of a prank I pulled on my roommate in which I had him convinced that dozens of people were all having dreams about him shitting his pants. He couldn't figure out how anyone could have orchestrated all these unconnected people from his past to contact him out of the blue like that. He didn't realize the prank instructions were in his AIM profile, and was how people he hadn't seen in 10 years seemed to be in on it. Due to the Law of 5s, he started seeing shit everywhere.  He didn't know what to do. On one hand, it could be a prank, but he couldn't fathom how. On the other hand, he had a existential crisis - he thought this was the universe's way of telling him something -- but what? The lens of introspection came out. In the end, a good time was had by all and I only got punched in the stomach once.

Brilliant!

[Thurnez Isa]

Also first cause just assumes that there was nothing before the expansion of the universe, nothing within the singularity...
well what comes before time and space? Can there be something?
I don't know
and I sincerely doubt you do

[Kai]

Also first cause just assumes that there was nothing before the expansion of the universe, nothing within the singularity...
well what comes before time and space? Can there be something?
I don't know
and I sincerely doubt you do

I certainly don't. The Beginning is the Void to me.

[Cain]

Saint Thomas Aquinas just rang.

He wanted to let you know the First Cause is in fact THE LORD God, and you heathens are going to hell unless you repent and allow Jesus to save your souls.

Also Richard J Gott III wants to know whats North of the North Pole, while you're all here.

[Thurnez Isa]

and it goes back what I keep saying and your too dense or stupid to realize
the burden proof is not on nonexistence but on existence
and if you think otherwise I have a magic, invisible unicorn in a mason jar I wish to sell you

JUST $29.99
AND IF YOU ACT NOW
I'LL THROW IN THIS LUCKY PENNY, FOR FREE....
JUST PAY SEPARATE SHIPPING AND HANDLING
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[Kai]

Saint Thomas Aquinas just rang.

He wanted to let you know the First Cause is in fact THE LORD God, and you heathens are going to hell unless you repent and allow Jesus to save your souls.

Also Richard J Gott III wants to know whats North of the North Pole, while you're all here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Didn't even see it. And yes, you are a clumsy troll, it's true. It was a nice, if transparent, attempt at baiting Kai.

Your proof that I am a troll is not convincing. I'm only responding to you because last time I ignored a comment that I was some alt, and then within days I was apparently four different alts! Paranoia needs strangling. It's self-destructive.

If you gave a shit, you could prove easily that I am not a troll/alt. If you don't give a shit, why are you so concerned about me?

You misunderstood what Roger was saying. He didn't say you were four different alts, he said that he called those users as trolls when they first arrived and he was calling you, too. And he was right.

Who said I don't give a shit? Giving shit is what I do. 

Now, why don't you use your own logic and prove that you're not a troll?