Daily reminder: not beating your partner is "controversial"

[Captain Utopia]

Though "most men secretly hate women, and most women secretly think they deserve it" is a memebomb with some merit.
Very horrormirth to me tho, specially heavy on the "horror" side of it.

It's one I would never support. Any other ideas on how to use it in a positive way?

Memebombs are not meant to be good advice, they're meant to provoke a reaction. This one provokes a pretty strong reaction.

Agreed. It's a strong reaction that people are more likely to believe, internalise, and follow. Fuck that.

I'm gonna make a start on the age-divide angle if nothing else shows up.

You have very little faith in humanity, even by PD standards. Most memebombs provoke a strong reaction because they rephrase something that is already assumed; a closet misogynist will have a terribly strong reaction to this. But a memebomb will also make the assumed idea shocking, and has just as much of a potential for provoking the opposite reaction as for provoking the literally implied one. It's like stealth sarasm by way of trolling, except that the person being trolled is trolling him/herself.

No. The people being trolled are the victims of the hate this meme perpetuates.

Most people wouldn't give this a much thought before absorbing it - it doesn't even encourage the misogynist to re-evaluate their views, or place them in a different context. I don't want to slippery slope this out of proportion, but hate is not far away from violence.. and once the meme is absorbed then the damage is done.

Is a memebomb that relates to domestic violence having "just as much of a potential for provoking the opposite reaction as for provoking the literally implied one", something that you'd want to promote?

[Cainad (dec.)]

Though "most men secretly hate women, and most women secretly think they deserve it" is a memebomb with some merit.
Very horrormirth to me tho, specially heavy on the "horror" side of it.

It's one I would never support. Any other ideas on how to use it in a positive way?

Memebombs are not meant to be good advice, they're meant to provoke a reaction. This one provokes a pretty strong reaction.

Agreed. It's a strong reaction that people are more likely to believe, internalise, and follow. Fuck that.

I'm gonna make a start on the age-divide angle if nothing else shows up.

What?

Basically, what Enki said. People may be pretty fucking dumb, but your own reaction to it should provide a clue as to how other people will react to it. I'm pretty sure more people will react with "WTF, that's horrible" than "LOL yeah, that's totally true."

[Captain Utopia]

Basically, what Enki said. People may be pretty fucking dumb, but your own reaction to it should provide a clue as to how other people will react to it. I'm pretty sure more people will react with "WTF, that's horrible" than "LOL yeah, that's totally true."

That is horrible. That is a fact. There is no way out.

At least with the age-divide angle, you encourage people to wonder "am I like those men aged 40+ who hate women, or did I just give myself permission to act differently?"

[Cramulus]

a meme bomb > stating your opinion in a pithy, witty way


meme bombs are less powerful the more they approach reactionary politics or rational commentary


during OPERATION CHAOS, we trolled rush limbaugh's followers by acting like really over-the-top republitards. We posted on his boards about how WE'D RATHER SEE A HANGING THAN AN INAUGURATION - I'LL BRING THE ROPE!!  --- knowing that our over-the-top hyperbole reflects poorly on the whole group. And that likely some moderates or outliers would be disgusted by the party's embrace of that sentiment, and then be further distanced by it.

It's like how Obama's not doing much to counter the birther movement. I'm sure he's got a birth certificate he's saving in a vault for just the right moment. He knows its a dead end so he's letting it get as much steam as possible.



anyway, sorry for the rambling jack

[Pariah]

[Captain Utopia]

a meme bomb > stating your opinion in a pithy, witty way


meme bombs are less powerful the more they approach reactionary politics or rational commentary


during OPERATION CHAOS, we trolled rush limbaugh's followers by acting like really over-the-top republitards. We posted on his boards about how WE'D RATHER SEE A HANGING THAN AN INAUGURATION - I'LL BRING THE ROPE!!  --- knowing that our over-the-top hyperbole reflects poorly on the whole group. And that likely some moderates or outliers would be disgusted by the party's embrace of that sentiment, and then be further distanced by it.

It's like how Obama's not doing much to counter the birther movement. I'm sure he's got a birth certificate he's saving in a vault for just the right moment. He knows its a dead end so he's letting it get as much steam as possible.



anyway, sorry for the rambling jack

I don't think it's a jack, both examples would work well because they are popular topics with a conclusion - it's more like pulling a trigger than planting bad seeds.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Basically, what Enki said. People may be pretty fucking dumb, but your own reaction to it should provide a clue as to how other people will react to it. I'm pretty sure more people will react with "WTF, that's horrible" than "LOL yeah, that's totally true."

That is horrible. That is a fact. There is no way out.

At least with the age-divide angle, you encourage people to wonder "am I like those men aged 40+ who hate women, or did I just give myself permission to act differently?"

What?

Surely you don't actually believe that this memebomb is so powerful and effective that people will thoroughly internalize it without giving it a second thought, and that it will somehow become a deep-rooted part of their personal memeplex and cause them to be misogynistic?

Because if that's what's got a bee in your bonnet, you've been meme-bombed. In the face.

As a memebomb, the phrase is not meant to be internalized, accepted, and replicated by those who are exposed to it. It's meant to clash with the memes already floating around in their head, just as it has clashed with yours. This clash, or "discord," is inherently awesome and there needs to be more of it. I've been thinking about founding a bogus religion that is devoted to spreading this "discord."

[Captain Utopia]

Basically, what Enki said. People may be pretty fucking dumb, but your own reaction to it should provide a clue as to how other people will react to it. I'm pretty sure more people will react with "WTF, that's horrible" than "LOL yeah, that's totally true."

That is horrible. That is a fact. There is no way out.

At least with the age-divide angle, you encourage people to wonder "am I like those men aged 40+ who hate women, or did I just give myself permission to act differently?"

What?

Surely you don't actually believe that this memebomb is so powerful and effective that people will thoroughly internalize it without giving it a second thought, and that it will somehow become a deep-rooted part of their personal memeplex and cause them to be misogynistic?

Yes. I do believe that, with the one difference that I see misogyny as part of a spectrum, rather than a binary "true", "false".

I believe this is why people have different cultural personalities based upon the people they come in contact with. It's not like we have the ability to measure it yet, or to pinpoint any particular tipping point. But the effect has a very strong probability in my mind.

Because if that's what's got a bee in your bonnet, you've been meme-bombed. In the face.

As a memebomb, the phrase is not meant to be internalized, accepted, and replicated by those who are exposed to it. It's meant to clash with the memes already floating around in their head, just as it has clashed with yours. This clash, or "discord," is inherently awesome and there needs to be more of it. I've been thinking about founding a bogus religion that is devoted to spreading this "discord."

Why is it inherently awesome? Is it inherently awesome if it results in a negligible statistical increase in domestic abuse?

[trippinprincezz13]

FACT: After reading that meme, 11/12ths of myself started hating me, and 2/3's of me thinks that I deserve it.

[Pariah]

Ever since that meme has been brought up I have becoming misogynistic bastard

[LMNO]

The problem with memes like this is that they just don't fucking listen.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Basically, what Enki said. People may be pretty fucking dumb, but your own reaction to it should provide a clue as to how other people will react to it. I'm pretty sure more people will react with "WTF, that's horrible" than "LOL yeah, that's totally true."

That is horrible. That is a fact. There is no way out.

At least with the age-divide angle, you encourage people to wonder "am I like those men aged 40+ who hate women, or did I just give myself permission to act differently?"

What?

Surely you don't actually believe that this memebomb is so powerful and effective that people will thoroughly internalize it without giving it a second thought, and that it will somehow become a deep-rooted part of their personal memeplex and cause them to be misogynistic?

Yes. I do believe that, with the one difference that I see misogyny as part of a spectrum, rather than a binary "true", "false".

I believe this is why people have different cultural personalities based upon the people they come in contact with. It's not like we have the ability to measure it yet, or to pinpoint any particular tipping point. But the effect has a very strong probability in my mind.

Oh, I understand your position now! You're dumb.

And while I can probably agree that misogyny is a spectrum rather than a binary possibility, I fail to see what relevance that has on this argument.

Because if that's what's got a bee in your bonnet, you've been meme-bombed. In the face.

As a memebomb, the phrase is not meant to be internalized, accepted, and replicated by those who are exposed to it. It's meant to clash with the memes already floating around in their head, just as it has clashed with yours. This clash, or "discord," is inherently awesome and there needs to be more of it. I've been thinking about founding a bogus religion that is devoted to spreading this "discord."

Why is it inherently awesome? Is it inherently awesome if it results in a negligible statistical increase in domestic abuse?

Because it's inherently awesome to say stuff like that around people who take their shit too seriously.






Also, I've beaten 3 women since I first read that memebomb. I did it because all bitches deserve it; they said so themselves after being exposed to the memebomb.

[Reginald Ret]

Hmmmm be careful,
do not underestimate The Power Of Stupid.

there will be some 'people' who will be swayed in the wrong direction by this memebomb.

I'd call that an acceptable side effect.

[Pariah]

Anybody who would say, "You know he's right" was probably a sexist bastard to begin with.

[Verbal Mike]

Srsly, if anything, this kind of memebomb serves to make people CONSCIOUSLY think about the problem, not to simply internalize it. Who the hell reads a memebomb like that and thinks "oh yeah good point" with no further? People will either ignore it (most will, if not forced to pay attention) or think about it. I don't see how anybody would possibly become (more) misogynistic from reading that.