Daily reminder: not beating your partner is "controversial"

[Fuquad]

sorry Kai, i was being facetious 

Guess which word fictionpuss is about to use 50 times in the next 7 posts, incorrectly.

Being.

[LMNO]

Ok, in light of RWHN's post, I will amend my statement.

One of the reasons that the movement of an electron won't tell you who won a football game (read as: why quantum effects don't have noticable experiential phenomena) is decoherence.  

In RWHN's post, he draws a neat parallel in regards to memes; namely, both analogies provided by fictionpuss were bullshit.

[Kai]

No. Just no. Please do not start using Emergence poorly as well.

I've been using it for over a decade, so I'm not 'starting' anything.

Yeah, you've been using it poorly this entire time.

STOP CONFLATING UNRELATED THINGS, FUCKHOLE.

This. Succinct statement of what I've been trying to say the whole time.

[Captain Utopia]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

[Fuquad]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

Do you mean Macro or Micro Memetics?

[Captain Utopia]

This thread...is awesomely awful.
And fictionpuss...is fucked up. You seem to only apply this logic to one memebomb, and refute it as applied to every ad absurdum counterargument brought against it in this thread... Real logical, you are.

I think I laid out the groundwork quite clearly for why I had a problem with that particular meme. What's the point of introducing an absurd counterargument, when my working is shown such that it can be attacked directly, and I never extended my own thinking to anywhere near the levels of "read this and you'll kick your granny" which I assume you're referring to?

[Captain Utopia]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

Do you mean Macro or Micro Memetics?

I'm not convinced that there is a meaningful distinction to be made, I think you would have trouble drawing a neat line between them anyway. But you knew that already.

[LMNO]

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

If you want an honest answer, don't post about, or even use the word "meme" for a month.

Make multiple entertaining and intelligent posts in the meantime, showing us what a cool person you are.

Then, after we've more or less decided you're not as much of a fuckbag as we thought you were, start a thread with one small, constructive idea regarding how memes are modeled.


That might work.

[Cainad (dec.)]

This thread...is awesomely awful.
And fictionpuss...is fucked up. You seem to only apply this logic to one memebomb, and refute it as applied to every ad absurdum counterargument brought against it in this thread... Real logical, you are.

I think I laid out the groundwork quite clearly for why I had a problem with that particular meme.

Yes, and it has been repeatedly explained why the rest of us think you are wrong.

What's the point of introducing an absurd counterargument, when my working is shown such that it can be attacked directly, and I never extended my own thinking to anywhere near the levels of "read this and you'll kick your granny" which I assume you're referring to?

YES. YOU. COCKING. DID.

YOU DELUSIONAL RETARDED INCONSISTENT MORONIC PEDANTIC WRONG FUCKWIT CHUMBUCKET ASSGUZZLER FUNGAL EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING

FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME:

We shouldn't get too hung up about the far reaching moral implications of certain statements unless you really think that language is mind control. And if you do, (cram wiggles his fingers, implying a magic spell) STOP THINKING THAT. 

Why should I not think like that? Everything I've seen points to that conclusion

[AFK]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

Umm, I'm not telling you what you should or should not do.  I don't care.  I'm just another asshat on these boards expressing his opinion about stuff.  I'm just giving my take.  Do with it as you will.  

[fomenter]

YES. YOU. COCKING. DID.

YOU DELUSIONAL RETARDED INCONSISTENT MORONIC PEDANTIC WRONG FUCKWIT CHUMBUCKET ASSGUZZLER FUNGAL EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING

FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME:

We shouldn't get too hung up about the far reaching moral implications of certain statements unless you really think that language is mind control. And if you do, (cram wiggles his fingers, implying a magic spell) STOP THINKING THAT. 

Why should I not think like that? Everything I've seen points to that conclusion

stolen for Sig 

[Captain Utopia]

This thread...is awesomely awful.
And fictionpuss...is fucked up. You seem to only apply this logic to one memebomb, and refute it as applied to every ad absurdum counterargument brought against it in this thread... Real logical, you are.

I think I laid out the groundwork quite clearly for why I had a problem with that particular meme.

Yes, and it has been repeatedly explained why the rest of us think you are wrong.

In terms of "granny kicking" not in terms that I actually used.

What's the point of introducing an absurd counterargument, when my working is shown such that it can be attacked directly, and I never extended my own thinking to anywhere near the levels of "read this and you'll kick your granny" which I assume you're referring to?

YES. YOU. COCKING. DID.

YOU DELUSIONAL RETARDED INCONSISTENT MORONIC PEDANTIC WRONG FUCKWIT CHUMBUCKET ASSGUZZLER FUNGAL EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING

FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME:

We shouldn't get too hung up about the far reaching moral implications of certain statements unless you really think that language is mind control. And if you do, (cram wiggles his fingers, implying a magic spell) STOP THINKING THAT. 

Why should I not think like that? Everything I've seen points to that conclusion

And I've already admitted that I made a mistake and misunderstood the connotation of what "mind control" means here. In your defence, that's buried under pages of retarded bullshit.

[Captain Utopia]

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

If you want an honest answer, don't post about, or even use the word "meme" for a month.

I'll give it a try, not for science, but for the memes.

Starting now.

[AFK]

I hope you are more successful than Lysergic. 

[Reginald Ret]

Cool.

im kinda confused at what different definitions of mind control are kicking around here.

this topic is now about definitions of mindcontrol.


here is mine

Mindcontrol: to control the mind of another being. where the 'mind' is a human one and control is at least 80%