Daily reminder: not beating your partner is "controversial"

[Rod Stewart]

I just do whatever the bottle tells me. 

[fomenter]

I hope you are more successful than Lysergic. 

this should be easier to do than posting only in images,

but in this case it probably just increases the chance some other word will be ass raped in its place

[Kai]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

Do you mean Macro or Micro Memetics?

I'm not convinced that there is a meaningful distinction to be made, I think you would have trouble drawing a neat line between them anyway. But you knew that already.

What the FUCK does "macro or micro memetics" even fucking mean? Srsly. You don't define your words, you don't regulate your terms, you don't do anything that would actually help someone else understand what the hell you're talking about. All you have been doing is assuming everyone has perfect clear understanding of everything you say, and anything otherwise would reflect poorly on their intelligence, rather than on your (lack of) ability to communicate.

[Captain Utopia]

All you have been doing is assuming everyone has perfect clear understanding of everything you say, and anything otherwise would reflect poorly on their intelligence,

Apologies if it comes across that way, it certainly doesn't reflect anything I hold to be true internally.

rather than on your (lack of) ability to communicate.

I'm aware of this deficiency - it's a fairly basic life-skill to be missing. I'm not going to stop trying to communicate more effectively - if this bothers you then I'd advise ignoring me in the meantime.

[Kai]

maybe you should start by defining your terms then.

[Fuquad]

Maybe we have a different understanding of what mind control is? If you mean that in the sense of NLP or that you can make someone kill their granny with a rogue-meme, then no - that would be absolutely retarded - and I have never stated anything of that nature.

But do I think that every input we receive effects our mind in ways we have only barely begun to explore - then yes - I would think that self-explanatory.

Yes, every input.  Which reduces the whole "meme" idea to ashes.  Because there is no discernable difference between the impact of a "meme" and a sharp poke to the eye or a moldy ham sandwhich. 

The moldy ham sandwhich is going to condition me to check my bread in the future before I make a sandwhich.
A sharp poke to the eye might cause me to be wary in certain situation.
A "meme" on a sticker may make me think for a second, but unless it is some earth-shattering revelation, it is going to have hardly any significant impact on my day to day life. 

Well would you say we should throw out the concept of "memes" entirely and start again? That we should not try to observe the anatomy of a meme and see if we can use it to some affect?

What level of discussion of memetics can I participate in, without starting a flame-war?

Do you mean Macro or Micro Memetics?

I'm not convinced that there is a meaningful distinction to be made, I think you would have trouble drawing a neat line between them anyway. But you knew that already.

Of course I knew that. I'm the one that fucking pointed it out to you.

[Captain Utopia]

maybe you should start by defining your terms then.

Is that the thing which involves reading a lot and learning existing terms before feeling entitled to have an opinion, instead of just throwing words together which kind of look like they may fit, and then seeing what happens?

[Kai]

maybe you should start by defining your terms then.

Is that the thing which involves reading a lot and learning existing terms before feeling entitled to have an opinion, instead of just throwing words together which kind of look like they may fit, and then seeing what happens?

No.

This is the thing where you figure out what the fuck you mean by the words you use and not assume everyone understand that meaning outright, so you formally define your terms, very much like I did in the thread in T&S. Do I really have to spell this shit out for you?

And yes, you should read a lot and figure out how other people use words. And yes, you should learn how to communicate properly. I'm giving you immediate advice here. Remember what Ruzaro....Ruruzerar.....I'm sorry, I can't remember your name right now, but how R- did in his excellent thread.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Why are you guys wasting your valuable time and effort arguing with FP, anyway? He's either trolling or stupid, and either way you're not getting anywhere.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Why are you guys wasting your valuable time and effort arguing with FP, anyway? He's either trolling or stupid, and either way you're not getting anywhere.

It's a big shit sandwich, and everyone's gotta do their part...



...by shooting it with an assault rifle.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

How about a flamethrower?

[Kai]

Why are you guys wasting your valuable time and effort arguing with FP, anyway? He's either trolling or stupid, and either way you're not getting anywhere.

It's kinda fun because I don't feel obligated to play nice, I can speak via frusteration.

[Captain Utopia]

Why are you guys wasting your valuable time and effort arguing with FP, anyway? He's either trolling or stupid, and either way you're not getting anywhere.

It's kinda fun because I don't feel obligated to play nice, I can speak via frusteration.

Either way, I feel like I'm learning a lot, so that would make it a win/win.

[Chairman Risus]

Nobody's gonna read that meme and say "wow you know, i'd really like to go beat the shit outta ma grammy now" and if they do, the seed was already there and they were on the verge of doing it anyway.

This really reminds me of one of the last trolls we had. Who was that? somebody who took things all too literally

Maybe I'm too tired because I forget.

The Lamanite?

[Iason Ouabache]