Someone explain to me...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

also, apparently, the ironic thing.

This is a gay straight alliance. Thats an organization working to illiminate intolerance and discrimination against gays and the like.

I happen to be one of those tranny-ish bisexuals.

apparently I am a bi tranny bigot. against glibertarians who condone torture.


Theres some humour in there among the screaming.

Ah, I see.  You have run afoul of a primate heirarchy.

Fuck 'em, Kai.  You don't need those people.  They aren't your people.  I mean, think about it.  Do they DRESS like real people, or have facial expressions like real people or even TALK like real people?  You are obstensibly supposed to be allied with them because of gender issues, but do you really WANT to be allied with "people" who condone torture? 

They are swine, Kai, and they are most definitely not on your side.

I have no clue whether they all condone torture, but in my experience someone that doesn't speak up against such topics in their company is rather spineless. GASP, SOMEONE ACTUALLY STOOD UP FOR PRINCIPLE AND WALKED OUT ON PRINCIPLE, WHAT AN INTOLERANT THING. Maybe it is intolerant. Maybe thats a GOOD thing. Sure, there are a few people there who I'm friends with, but they support my decision. I really do have more important things to do than hang out with undergrads. Considering the organization is basically a social event despite some intentions by previous people. Meh. Probably will put me in bad standing at the UU fellowship too. Meh to that as well. If I'm not allowed to walk out on principle, then what are my allowances as a person?

Oh, and this organization hasn't done shit for anyone. Really fucking disappointing.


The worst part about it is feeling bad about it afterwards, like I did something wrong. Maybe I did. Maybe I'm a horrible bigot for harassing a poor prerich glibertarian about morality....yeah, I can't even hold a straight face. Still, I hope this doesn't all sour for me because of the mess.

I don't get it.  Since when does "tolerance" apply to fucking NAZIS?  Tolerance is, AFAIK, the principle of live and let live, accepting other peoples' behavior and traits, provided they do not directly harm others.  Torture perverts don't count.

[Kai]

a glib libertarian. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread. Essentially a randroid with a hard on for "fuck you get your own" and other beloved political platitudes.

I wrote a letter to the vp, which I'm not going to send.

Dear M-,

To be completely honest, I've been thinking about resigning for weeks now, as I am in a high stress environment and truly do not have time to be an exec board member for any organization. Considering this is my (scarce) free time, and I haven't particularly enjoyed the meetings this semester, having to interact with someone I didn't want to interact with tipped the scales. Just like not going to a particular bar on a saturday night because it's full of drunken fratboys. And I will say, I got tired of the socialist hating about that time. Talk about intolerance, I remember last semester when J- got up and said "I hate socialists", one of the first things I ever heard him utter. I don't see why it's so wrong for me to say something back. Am I required to stay quiet? In any case, I won't interact with someone in my free time who I don't like on principle. Which, incidentally, is the word you're looking for, /principle/, not intolerance or discrimination. As far as I know, political opinions are not holy relics that must be guarded and protected, not innate objects of identity, unchangable, free of moral consideration. Heaven forbid I respond in an honest and forward way. This is one of the many reasons that "important" things should not be done over facebook.

Also, opposing torture isn't discrimination nor is it intolerance. It's /principle/. Oh, and you lost your only bi token tranny, so thanks for the backhanded "compliments". I know I won't be missed. You'all never liked me anyway.

Fuck you, Kai

1.  Send it.

2.  Why can't they just say "libertarian"?  Why does EVERYTHING have to have the GLBT label on it?  Oh, yes, because they're attention whores.

lol no, it has nothing to do with GLBT. Its like saying Republitard, except in this case it represents a particular type of idiot.

and not going to send it. I have a feeling this person would follow up on the ethics case if given any reason. While no where in my career will anyone ever give a shit about some little diversity club, they will care if I had an student ethics group deal out punishment on me even for stupid reasons.

Better to write it, and share it here, write it, vent, and then be done with it. put it behind me. write and write till I've exhausted all my anger and bile and frustration, until I pass out from hate shitting exhaustion.


RARRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFUCK these people. Who the hell do they think they are? a bunch of social rejects, is what I see, but the most of them even without the skills of horrormirth, and none of them understanding the lulz. fuck them. fuck them hard. and all their bullshit, because see, we never really DID anything. nothing has changed in this town, it's still a bigoted shitpile. Always has been, always will be, and we are not gonna change fucking anything because people are SHIT and they will tear you down.

You know, that shit head has been making stupid political remarks from the beginning. Seriously. I should have seen this coming. I should have known I would have gotten pissed off at some point and resigned cause I can barely stand to stay in the same room as the guy. Really. I couldn't stand him at all. all the dumb fucking libertarian bullshit. ARGG it makes my mind melt how meltingly stupid the whole shitpilemess of it is, the steaming dump of randroidism on the doors of the political science building, like a filthy stained and ugly version of martin luther's scrawl.

[Kai]

I don't get it.  Since when does "tolerance" apply to fucking NAZIS?  Tolerance is, AFAIK, the principle of live and let live, accepting other peoples' behavior and traits, provided they do not directly harm others.  Torture perverts don't count.

Because people who condone torture are in the majority.

[Requia ☣]

I don't get it.  Since when does "tolerance" apply to fucking NAZIS?  Tolerance is, AFAIK, the principle of live and let live, accepting other peoples' behavior and traits, provided they do not directly harm others.  Torture perverts don't count.

Because people who condone torture are in the majority.

[Triple Zero]

also, apparently, the ironic thing.

This is a gay straight alliance. Thats an organization working to illiminate intolerance and discrimination against gays and the like.

I happen to be one of those tranny-ish bisexuals.

apparently I am a bi tranny bigot. against glibertarians who condone torture.


Theres some humour in there among the screaming.

Can't you take horrible revenge? Like in a way they don't know it was you? Cast that Golden Apple and watch them bash eachother's head in? (just for feeling better)

Also, I love the signoff in your letter

And, I don't understand, what's this got to do with a student ethics group dealing out punishment on you? How are they gonna spin that? What did you do? You said "I don't wanna be on board with you cause you condone torture", and this is a case for a student ethics group, how? [What does a student ethics group normally do btw? deal with cases of racism and such?]

[Kai]

And, I don't understand, what's this got to do with a student ethics group dealing out punishment on you? How are they gonna spin that? What did you do? You said "I don't wanna be on board with you cause you condone torture", and this is a case for a student ethics group, how? [What does a student ethics group normally do btw? deal with cases of racism and such?]

Apparently not wanting to interact with someone because of their political beliefs is some sort of discrimination and intolerance. Notice how the word beliefs slipped in there, and how it makes some people stupid/crazy. And yeah, and furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest any sort of racism, sexism, homophobia or religious bigotry from me, which is what such a group usually deals with, since I've never given any indication of any of those things (and it would be personally abhorent for me to do so). This is a simple matter of me not wanting to interact with someone I don't have to interact with, and leaving an organization over it. If I did it because he was black, or a jew (which he is, not that I care), or gay (which he also is, and would be ridiculous to pose) or because I was sexist in some way then that would be something else.

It was a simple moral imperative with no bigotry involved. And it's wishywashy to assume people shouldn't discriminate who they choose to hang out with, and be intolerant of those who have morally abhorent political opinions. I was all ready just to tease him forever, but that sorta changes when important things like honoring the first principle of unitarian universalism, which is respecting the dignity and worth of every person, even "criminals", comes up.

Sometimes a person just has to stand up against this shit. I for one will wear the badge of bigot if thats what I am, if refusing to interact with people that hold such morally disgusting views is what makes me that.

[Triple Zero]

I see. So this student ethics committee is made up of students, right? Any chance you could perhaps cut them to the chase and (informally) have a talk with one of the members of that committee, just to check whether they even take this sort of thing seriously (and subtly bring up your case in a favourable way).

[Kai]

I see. So this student ethics committee is made up of students, right? Any chance you could perhaps cut them to the chase and (informally) have a talk with one of the members of that committee, just to check whether they even take this sort of thing seriously (and subtly bring up your case in a favourable way).

That won't be an issue, because I've cut all ties. They don't seem like they are going to pursue unless I make any "problems" in the future, which I won't. It's complete fact that I don't have to interact with these people at all, so there won't be any future confrontations.

[Cain]

Glibertarian means glib libertarian.  Its a pejorative, used out of recognition than not all libertarians are war-mongering, torture loving, sociopathic property-rights absolutists - just most of the vocal ones on the internet are.  Some libertarians actually care about things like liberty and other people, though unfortunately because of the vocal nature of the aforememtioned glibertarians, most of them won't use that name to describe their beliefs anymore.

I still think those sort of libertarians can be a little kooky at times, but they're generally reasonable people, who differ on means as opposed to ends. The glibertarians, however...well they're the enemy.

Also, from the little I know about student gender/sexuality politics, transsexuals and bisexuals frequently get shafted by the lesbian and gay communities.  Most gays and lesbians don't care, obviously, but political organisations, on the other hand...well, lets put it this way, there was, for a while, a popular lesbian feminist conspiracy theory that transsexuals were male infiltrators of the feminist movement, seeking to overthrow it from within.  Exactly. 

[Kai]

Glibertarian means glib libertarian.  Its a pejorative, used out of recognition than not all libertarians are war-mongering, torture loving, sociopathic property-rights absolutists - just most of the vocal ones on the internet are.  Some libertarians actually care about things like liberty and other people, though unfortunately because of the vocal nature of the aforememtioned glibertarians, most of them won't use that name to describe their beliefs anymore.

I still think those sort of libertarians can be a little kooky at times, but they're generally reasonable people, who differ on means as opposed to ends. The glibertarians, however...well they're the enemy.

Also, from the little I know about student gender/sexuality politics, transsexuals and bisexuals frequently get shafted by the lesbian and gay communities.  Most gays and lesbians don't care, obviously, but political organisations, on the other hand...well, lets put it this way, there was, for a while, a popular lesbian feminist conspiracy theory that transsexuals were male infiltrators of the feminist movement, seeking to overthrow it from within.  Exactly. 

Yes and yes. It's the whole oppressed minority hierarchy again, with the ones above oppressing the ones below.


"Give me three monkeys and I'll show you a hierarchy."

                                                          -The Good Reverend Roger

[Cainad (dec.)]

Still, it seems rather telling.

We need a word for people who are economically libertarian and socially apathetic, if not actively totalitarian.  I mean, other than "fucktard".

Skipping the last page to offer my suggestion:

Bread-and-Circus Libertarian

The government's job is to make sure they can buy all the nice (and/or not-so-nice, depending on your opinion) things they want. All else is tangential.

[Dalek]

The children of the rich will have good education and therefore will remain rich if they play their cards right. The children of the poor won't get education, so they'll remain poor and stupid

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The children of the rich will have good education and therefore will remain rich if they play their cards right. The children of the poor won't get education, so they'll remain poor and stupid

Poor and ignorant.  Stupid is a universal trait.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I don't get it.  Since when does "tolerance" apply to fucking NAZIS?  Tolerance is, AFAIK, the principle of live and let live, accepting other peoples' behavior and traits, provided they do not directly harm others.  Torture perverts don't count.

Because people who condone torture are in the majority.

They still don't count.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Apparently not wanting to interact with someone because of their political beliefs is some sort of discrimination and intolerance.

That's the GOP playbook right now.