Secret of Atkins diet revealed.

[Requia ☣]

Right, but if you watch that video all the way through, he is not advocating Atkins (although his science definitely backs it up) and simply removing the most processed starches and sugars from your diet, and limiting the rest, should have very nearly the same effect without compromising your vitamin and fiber intake, as well as being sustainable long-term. IMO the most functional goal is to start eating the same way you plan to eat for the rest of your life, rather than eat in some completely unsustainable way to lose the weight and then switch a gaining diet as soon as you reach your goal, which is exactly what most people do.

Its possible I misinterpreted you here, care to clarify?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

Charleston was once the rage, uh huh
History has turned the page, uh huh
The mini skirts the current thing, uh huh
Teenybopper is our newborn king, uh huh

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

The grocery store's the super mart, uh huh
Little girls still break their hearts, uh huh
And men still keep on marching off to war
Electrically they keep a baseball score

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

Grandmas sit in chairs and reminisce
Boys keep chasing girls to get a kiss
The cars keep going faster all the time
Bums still cry "hey buddy, have you got a dime"

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Right, but if you watch that video all the way through, he is not advocating Atkins (although his science definitely backs it up) and simply removing the most processed starches and sugars from your diet, and limiting the rest, should have very nearly the same effect without compromising your vitamin and fiber intake, as well as being sustainable long-term. IMO the most functional goal is to start eating the same way you plan to eat for the rest of your life, rather than eat in some completely unsustainable way to lose the weight and then switch a gaining diet as soon as you reach your goal, which is exactly what most people do.

Its possible I misinterpreted you here, care to clarify?

Did you miss the word HIS up there? In other words, the research he presents, and the way he interprets it (which I think is potentially of value, which is why I've asked three of my friends... a doctor, a medical research librarian, and a public health expert, to give me their opinion on his interpretation) supports the idea that low-carbohydrate diets may be more effective long-term. The only thing this guy seems to be proposing, to be quite clear, is that high-carb diets make people fat because the carbs trigger you to want to eat more and store fat.

The intriguing thing about the data he's presenting is that there do appear to be some significant contradictions between "traditional wisdom" and what research indicates. Studies do show that higher-protein, lower-carbohydrate diets, especially ones nearly devoid of white flour and sugar, have a stabilizing effect on glucose levels... pretty much every diabetic knows that on an intimate level.

Other than that, I already said that I was holding off forming any more of an opinion until after I read his book. Because I don't see the value in arguing for or against a hypothesis based on hearing just a portion of it.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

In yer

FACE!








had to. sorry.

[Requia ☣]

Hmm, ok, I misinterpreted you, and actually agreed with what you said in the first place.

[Triple Zero]

Hmm, ok, I misinterpreted you, and actually agreed with what you said in the first place.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm kind of happy to hear that because I was confused as fuck. Thanks for being stand-up and saying so.

[fomenter]

i got to see this movie last night http://fathead-movie.com/  its worth watching it is mostly an answer to super-size me and gives a good explanation of how everyone ended up believing that carbohydrates (breads grains etc) are the basis for a healthy diet, it will come as no surprise to the skeptics that those are also the food stuff sold on the commodity market and government was involved,   it follows the same understanding of metabolism presented in the lecture we have been discussing and has some easy to follow animated explanations of how that works.

the movie seems to have some hyperbole in its presentation when it makes fun of "super-size" me and the vegetarians at the "center for science in the public interest" (the use of womping is fun to) but the basic information seems sound..

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That looks really interesting... I think I'll try to see it.

edit: I found it on Netflix!

[fomenter]

netflix is where i got it from

[fomenter]

i got this book from the library and started reading it today (yes it has good citations)


just starting but so far it's a good read

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Cool!

Let me know what you think when you're done.

[Kai]

I don't know if Dietitians back low carbohydrate diets, Requiem, but for people who are overweight and need to loose weight, it seems, from a physiological standpoint, to be the most sensical way to go about, you know, loosing weight. Paired with exercise that is. As, to use up stored food a person must take in less metabolic substances than they use daily. In other words, a person has to burn more than they take in to loose weight. Since the highest contributor to calories tends to be carbohydrates, and since Americans tend to overeat carbohydrates (again, not a Dietitian, but I'm just making an educated guess here) then it would be a good overall diet plan to eat a carbohydrate load that is considered low for most Americans, therefore, a low carbohydrate diet.

But then, what the hell do I know? I'm only a lowly biologist.   

[LMNO]

The scariest diet in the world: EAT LESS, EXCERCISE MORE.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The scariest diet in the world: EAT LESS, EXCERCISE MORE.

Has worked for Roger.  35 pounds since April 23rd.  Nothing amazing, just steady, consistent weight loss.