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Secret of Atkins diet revealed.

Started by Requia ☣, August 27, 2009, 05:13:15 AM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO on October 02, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
The scariest diet in the world: EAT LESS, EXCERCISE MORE.

Right. But WHAT you eat also has tremendous impact on how your body handles that process. Eating foods that make your body feel good, help keep you from feeling like you're starving, and nourish you is going to result in a much higher success rate than eating a 1200-calorie-a-day diet of Ho-Hos and Wonderbread. In addition, if processed carbs disrupt glucose regulation and make your body want to try to retain fat, there's no real reason to swim against the current when you could make it easier on yourself by cutting them out, right?

Not to state the FUCKING OBVIOUS.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Fuck, even my doctor has a flyer on his wall that says "Fat is Good; Bagels are the Enemy". It's not just as simple as "eat less, exercise more" because eating crappy foods on a calorie-restricted diet will make you feel LIKE SHIT and, like the man said, you will end up moving around less, because you're tired and run-down and you go into conservation mode. So you still burn the calories on your daily run, assuming you don't procrastinate it, but burn less in normal daily activity. When you feel good you're up and down dozens of times a day, doing little bustythings that burn calories. When you don't feel good you tend to hunker in one spot like a sick mouse.

It's pretty simple and biological, not some magickal property of carbs or protein.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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one of the most interesting things about this "highly disputed" lowcarb diet is that it was fairly common knowledge up until not that long ago..   (there are books from as early as the 1820's) and it remained the main type of weight-loss diet up until the 1980's when no fat low fat became official usda recomendation, 

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Yeah, I really suspect the grain lobby had a lot to do with that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Nigel on October 02, 2009, 05:52:44 PM
Yeah, I really suspect the grain lobby had a lot to do with that.

Just a bit.  The old "food pyramid" they taught in grammar school, way back when I was just a little girl, actually had the farm council's seal at the bottom of the poster.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2009, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 02, 2009, 05:52:44 PM
Yeah, I really suspect the grain lobby had a lot to do with that.

Just a bit.  The old "food pyramid" they taught in grammar school, way back when I was just a little girl, actually had the farm council's seal at the bottom of the poster.

I remember the food pyramid!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Nigel on October 02, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2009, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 02, 2009, 05:52:44 PM
Yeah, I really suspect the grain lobby had a lot to do with that.

Just a bit.  The old "food pyramid" they taught in grammar school, way back when I was just a little girl, actually had the farm council's seal at the bottom of the poster.

I remember the food pyramid!

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" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Requia ☣

#127
Foods that are high in sugar (especially monosuccarates) and starch should be considered junk food and not really part of *any* diet though, not just weight loss.  These days even the government admits that.  My objection to low carb dieting is more that most the common interpretation of low carb diets don't distinguish between wonderbread and whole grain bread, or between a Coke and an orange.
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Requia ☣

Also, I found out why bacon shuts down junk food cravings for me.  Apparently most junk food has MSG (even if it says 'no msg' thanks to crappy FDA regs) and while the 'Chinese restaurant syndrome' thing about MSG was completely bogus, MSG has an addictive effect according to one of my textbooks.

However high quality cuts of meat have glutamic acid, the nutrient MSG imitates the taste of, so the bacon satisfies the MSG craving.
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Triple Zero

Quote from: Nigel on October 02, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
Fuck, even my doctor has a flyer on his wall that says "Fat is Good; Bagels are the Enemy". It's not just as simple as "eat less, exercise more" because eating crappy foods on a calorie-restricted diet will make you feel LIKE SHIT and, like the man said, you will end up moving around less, because you're tired and run-down and you go into conservation mode. So you still burn the calories on your daily run, assuming you don't procrastinate it, but burn less in normal daily activity. When you feel good you're up and down dozens of times a day, doing little bustythings that burn calories. When you don't feel good you tend to hunker in one spot like a sick mouse.

It's pretty simple and biological, not some magickal property of carbs or protein.

In other news, the "exercise more" part doesn't mean math exercises either.
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Triple Zero

Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 03, 2009, 05:02:44 AM
Also, I found out why bacon shuts down junk food cravings for me.  Apparently most junk food has MSG (even if it says 'no msg' thanks to crappy FDA regs) and while the 'Chinese restaurant syndrome' thing about MSG was completely bogus, MSG has an addictive effect according to one of my textbooks.

However high quality cuts of meat have glutamic acid, the nutrient MSG imitates the taste of, so the bacon satisfies the MSG craving.

In that case, you can also use anchovy, fish sauce or capers.

In fact, you could even just add a pinch of Ve-Tsin (MSG) to your dishes, it's not really that bad for you, in the same sense that table salt technically isn't.
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Requia ☣

Eating MSG is strongly correlated with obesity, even in places that lack access a lot of junk food (rural china).  I'm trying to avoid it until they figure out the exact cause.  (correlation does not equal causation and all that, but it still might imply it).  But capers?  Good to know, I like those.
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Triple Zero

it enhances flavour so you eat more of it.

besides, getting MSG from natural sources doesn't suddenly magically make that disappear.

capers, and a lot of other things too. you can taste it if you pay attention.
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Kai

Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 03, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Eating MSG is strongly correlated with obesity, even in places that lack access a lot of junk food (rural china).  I'm trying to avoid it until they figure out the exact cause.  (correlation does not equal causation and all that, but it still might imply it).  But capers?  Good to know, I like those.

Could it be that MSG is often added to dishes with lots of rice and thick sauces?  :eek:
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Requia ☣

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