Death Coffee

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Um.

This was funny, until someone brought up potential health risks.

As was explored in 2005 or so, espresso has equal or less caffeine in it than regular coffee: The longer beans are roasted, the less caffeine, although it does get richer and more bitter.

So, by combining one pot of coffee, one chocolate bar, and (essentially) one pot of expresso, you have basically made TWO POTS OF BITTER MOCHA.


Sorry to be a "buzz" kill.

LMNO, I know all that. It's pretty common knowledge. The reason espresso, in this context, increases the caffeine content so much (as measured by volume, not by serving) is because that 100 mg caffeine present in espresso is in one ounce of fluid rather than six. It's not that espresso has more caffeine PER SERVING, it's that it has more caffeine BY VOLUME. Fill a six-ounce mug with drip coffee and you have about 130-175mg caffeine; fill a six-ounce mug with espresso and you have 600mg caffeine. You can easily dump a shot into a cup of coffee and almost double the caffeine content.

I didn't even factor in the chocolate because it's negligible.

As for health risks, it's not going to be bad for everyone, but people who have certain contraindicating conditions should probably stay away from that much caffeine. That is all I was saying.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

BTW, do the math on the caffeine in a pot of coffee plus eight ounces of espresso, divided by six, which is about how many 12-14 oz mugs you'll get out of that. Make sure you factor in "official" serving sizes vs. how much people actually pour into a mug.

[LMNO]

The mayo clinic states that one shot of espresso has half the caffeine as one cup of coffee (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeine/AN01211). 

Standard sizes coffe cup: 6 oz
Standard size espresso shot: 1 oz

8 oz espresso = 4 cups of coffee.

One pot of coffee = 10 cups.

one pot of coffee + 8 oz espresso = 68 oz liquid

16 cups of coffee = 96 oz

Each 6 oz cup of death coffee = 1.41 cups of normal coffee.


Just saying.

[Doktor Howl]

That's good.

However, what I said about caffeine still applies. Healthy people shouldn't have more than 300 mg per day, and people with heart conditions, circulatory conditions, and any kind of stress, panic, anxiety, or sleep disorder should really not have any. At all. Because even small amounts suppress adenosine and trigger or exacerbate those conditions.

Not that I'm not a bad example, myself. I drink one cup of black tea or 2-3 cups of green tea per day, and that's more caffeine than I ought to have, and I know it.

Hrm.  I drink about 2-3 pots of regular coffee each morning, with maybe 2 cups in the afternoon.  Occasionally I will replace one pot of that coffee with 1 cup of death coffee.

Jesus fuck. Do you know how much caffeine is in a pot of coffee?

I'm just saying, that seems like it might be a slight indicator for why you can't sleep without tranquilizers. Does your doctor know how much caffeine you drink? Did your doctor even ASK? Because prescribing benzos for insomnia without first ruling out caffeine is way beyond irresponsible.

Yes, as a matter of fact, and I went without caffiene for more than a month before we started the pills...even though, by halfway through, they knew what was wrong with me, and it has nothing to do with stimulants.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That's good.

However, what I said about caffeine still applies. Healthy people shouldn't have more than 300 mg per day, and people with heart conditions, circulatory conditions, and any kind of stress, panic, anxiety, or sleep disorder should really not have any. At all. Because even small amounts suppress adenosine and trigger or exacerbate those conditions.

Not that I'm not a bad example, myself. I drink one cup of black tea or 2-3 cups of green tea per day, and that's more caffeine than I ought to have, and I know it.

Hrm.  I drink about 2-3 pots of regular coffee each morning, with maybe 2 cups in the afternoon.  Occasionally I will replace one pot of that coffee with 1 cup of death coffee.

Jesus fuck. Do you know how much caffeine is in a pot of coffee?

I'm just saying, that seems like it might be a slight indicator for why you can't sleep without tranquilizers. Does your doctor know how much caffeine you drink? Did your doctor even ASK? Because prescribing benzos for insomnia without first ruling out caffeine is way beyond irresponsible.

Yes, as a matter of fact, and I went without caffiene for more than a month before we started the pills...even though, by halfway through, they knew what was wrong with me, and it has nothing to do with stimulants.

That's good, then. I'm not out to kill the funny or ruin your good time, but it did make me worry.

Also, maybe I'm a little bitter because I can't have any Death Coffee.

[Doktor Howl]

Funny's already dead, Nigel.

[LMNO]

I guess I killed it.


Sorry, guys.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The mayo clinic states that one shot of espresso has half the caffeine as one cup of coffee (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeine/AN01211). 

Standard sizes coffe cup: 6 oz
Standard size espresso shot: 1 oz

8 oz espresso = 4 cups of coffee.

One pot of coffee = 10 cups.

one pot of coffee + 8 oz espresso = 68 oz liquid

16 cups of coffee = 96 oz

Each 6 oz cup of death coffee = 1.41 cups of normal coffee.


Just saying.

The Mayo Clinic is actually off a bit; drip coffee does not have twice the caffeine of espresso. It varies considerably depending on a lot of factors, but typically it has about 135-175mg per 6 oz serving, to espresso's average 100.

But that's not even terribly relevant. Using your calculations, how many milligrams of caffeine are in one 12-oz mug of Death Coffee? Would you suggest it's not a bad idea for people with arrhythmia, hypertension, stress disorders, or sleep disorders to drink a mug of it without talking to their doctor?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Funny's already dead, Nigel.

SORRY FOR WORRYING

NEXT TIME I WON'T.

[Doktor Howl]

Funny's already dead, Nigel.

SORRY FOR WORRYING

NEXT TIME I WON'T.

Okay, that does it.

[LMNO]

Ok, first off: My point is that a given amount of "death coffee" only has slightly more caffeine in it than a standard amount of coffee, by volume.

Secondly:  IT'S CALLED DEATH COFFEE.  Why the fuck would anyone who has any sort of ill effects from normal coffee even consider drinking it?  Frankly, if anyone with arrhythmia, hypertension, stress disorders, or sleep disorders is drinking even EARL FUCKING GREY TEA, they're idiots.












Sorry.  Too much coffee today.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Funny's already dead, Nigel.

SORRY FOR WORRYING

NEXT TIME I WON'T.

Okay, that does it.

I'm only half serious about not worrying next time. I'd like to not, but I will anyway because I'm the chick who becomes convinced people have been in an awful car wreck and died if I haven't heard from them for a couple of days.

Unfortunately from personal experience, I know a lot about benzodiazepines and caffeine interaction. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ok, first off: My point is that a given amount of "death coffee" only has slightly more caffeine in it than a standard amount of coffee, by volume.

Secondly:  IT'S CALLED DEATH COFFEE.  Why the fuck would anyone who has any sort of ill effects from normal coffee even consider drinking it?  Frankly, if anyone with arrhythmia, hypertension, stress disorders, or sleep disorders is drinking even EARL FUCKING GREY TEA, they're idiots.












Sorry.  Too much coffee today.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Although I do drink tea, which I know damn straight I shouldn't.

[Richter]

I've been dreaming up a combination of pu-erh, ginseng, and yerba mate.  Metabolism stimulator, caffeine, and natural reproductive stimulant.  I'll let you know the results.  

[Doktor Howl]

Funny's already dead, Nigel.

SORRY FOR WORRYING

NEXT TIME I WON'T.

Okay, that does it.

I'm only half serious about not worrying next time. I'd like to not, but I will anyway because I'm the chick who becomes convinced people have been in an awful car wreck and died if I haven't heard from them for a couple of days.

Unfortunately from personal experience, I know a lot about benzodiazepines and caffeine interaction. 

All I know is that I tried not taking the damn pills last night, and I'm still awake now.  If I can't get to sleep in the next 2 hours, I'll take one of the old Ambien, and deal with the horrible fucking side effects in the morning.