Unlimited "Glenn Beck is a nutter" thread

[Remington]

And what's wrong with being an isolationist?

It runs contrary to globalization and imperialism, would be my guess.

[Elder Iptuous]

So, apart from interventionism and liberating the fuck out of some people, was it really 'theft'?

"Apart from forced anal intrusion and the whole toilet plunger thing, was it really 'rape'?"  

well, we followed the contract with the people that *then* owned it... so we didn't steal the canal.  we just took the Necessary Action™ to ensure that the people willing to sell it to us came into possession of it....

And what's wrong with being an isolationist?

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  which is bad.
the whole "borders across which goods do not travel, armies will" thing.  (or something to that effect)

[Doktor Howl]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

[Elder Iptuous]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

yeah, but they get lumped together at the convenience of the hawks and mercantilists.
that's what i observed when they bagged on Dr. Paul when he suggested that we bring home the empire....

[Doktor Howl]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

yeah, but they get lumped together at the convenience of the hawks and mercantilists.
that's what i observed when they bagged on Dr. Paul when he suggested that we bring home the empire....

Why should we let them change our language to suit their aims?

[Elder Iptuous]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

yeah, but they get lumped together at the convenience of the hawks and mercantilists.
that's what i observed when they bagged on Dr. Paul when he suggested that we bring home the empire....

Why should we let them change our language to suit their aims?

Well, control of language is a shouting match.  I guess you can use linguistic jiujitsu, and further change the words in ways that they don't anticipate.  but even that requires that people hear the language you put out....

so trying to resist being called an 'isolationist' because you think policies like determining whether some separatists succeed or not in order to achieve some short term goal (damn the blowback), is probably futile....
they have the conch TV and so they choose the words and their meanings.  perhaps humpty dumpty will fall someday and the words will mean precisely what we want them to mean, but until then....

[Doktor Howl]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either.  

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

yeah, but they get lumped together at the convenience of the hawks and mercantilists.
that's what i observed when they bagged on Dr. Paul when he suggested that we bring home the empire....

Why should we let them change our language to suit their aims?

Well, control of language is a shouting match.  I guess you can use linguistic jiujitsu, and further change the words in ways that they don't anticipate.  but even that requires that people hear the language you put out....

so trying to resist being called an 'isolationist' because you think policies like determining whether some separatists succeed or not in order to achieve some short term goal (damn the blowback), is probably futile....
they have the conch TV and so they choose the words and their meanings.  perhaps humpty dumpty will fall someday and the words will mean precisely what we want them to mean, but until then....

Well, fuck it, then.  Communication is a dead art, and we let them kill it.

[Elder Iptuous]

Why should we let them change our language to suit their aims?

Well, control of language is a shouting match.  I guess you can use linguistic jiujitsu, and further change the words in ways that they don't anticipate.  but even that requires that people hear the language you put out....

so trying to resist being called an 'isolationist' because you think policies like determining whether some separatists succeed or not in order to achieve some short term goal (damn the blowback), is probably futile....
they have the conch TV and so they choose the words and their meanings.  perhaps humpty dumpty will fall someday and the words will mean precisely what we want them to mean, but until then....

Well, fuck it, then.  Communication is a dead art, and we let them kill it.

well, we certainly let them control it. 
the only solution is a campaign to destroy mass media...  Mad Science to the rescue! 

[Iason Ouabache]

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/03/07/glenn_beck_wants_you_to_sacrifice_your_car_to_fight_his_war_on_education.php

Glenn Beck, the multi-millionaire who loves his country so much he'd cry for it, has a new sacrifice he wants viewers to make on behalf of his latest war. You may recall he recently suggested his audience should sacrifice their fortunes and maybe their lives (but God, he hopes it doesn't come to that) to fight the threats from progressives. More recently, Beck thought y'all should give up your Social Security and Medicare because it would be good for us – and it would help him fight his war on entitlements. On Friday (3/5/10), Beck asked his viewers to sell their cars so that they could pull their kids out of public schools in order to help him fight his war on public education. "Or our republic will be lost." With video.

The whole show was a "special" (read: Beck took the day off) devoted to "indoctrination in America." But other than attacking the recent student protests against tuition hikes and education cuts – and the call for viewers to give up their cars – the rest was pretty much a rehash of past talking points: mocking Meghan McCain, attacking public education as socialism (another thing we should give up, to help fight the commies), etc. He probably brought up Van Jones somewhere but I've forgotten.

Beck spent a good deal of time ridiculing and smearing the student protesters. Their protest signs, he said, were "eerily reminiscent of communist propaganda" and "almost like it's appealing to people who speak Spanish." The students, themselves, were so un-American as to consider education as a right.

"Education is not a right. It's a privilege," Beck shrieked, ignoring the fact that our laws indicate otherwise. According to Beck, it's all a gimmick to enslave the poor, "keeping them down for your own political purposes. This is really why the President has such a problem with the Constitution." Maybe you can understand what he meant. I couldn't.

One thing I did understand. All those sacrifices that Beck wants other people to make would benefit his pocketbook by reducing his high-bracket tax bill.

Beck ranted on, "Our children are being taught to be slaves to government." He said it with such emotional melodrama, I thought he might bust a sob right then and there. His effort for the cause.

In the next segment, the second video below, Beck made his impassioned plea at about 50 seconds in. "Sell a car if you have to. Get your kids out of this indoctrination. Or our republic will be lost."

Once again, Beck never did say what sacrifices he'd be making.

Bold part really really pisses me off.  Article 26 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights clearly says:

#(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
# (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
# (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

I've also noticed that Beck has started a War on Social Justice lately. He's even calling out churches that mention Social Justice on their websites. So, I take this to mean that Beck is now in favor of Social Injustice.

[Jenne]

It is a favored bailiwick of the Right to ridicule education in general, specifically pulic schooling and higher education (unless it's parochial).  Which is why home-schooling and charter schools are deemed the "saviors" of the "broken system"...forgetting of course that there's a federal mandate to educate the WHOLE populace.  It's a convenient "moral" argument they like to trot out way to often for my tastes.  Smacks of the same elitism (how many Republican and right-wingist families send their kids to private school again?) that they accuse the Left of.

[Jenne]

isolationism means that you don't engage in trade with other nations, either. 

Naw.  Military and economic isolationism are two very different things.

yeah, but they get lumped together at the convenience of the hawks and mercantilists.
that's what i observed when they bagged on Dr. Paul when he suggested that we bring home the empire....

Why should we let them change our language to suit their aims?

Well, control of language is a shouting match.  I guess you can use linguistic jiujitsu, and further change the words in ways that they don't anticipate.  but even that requires that people hear the language you put out....

so trying to resist being called an 'isolationist' because you think policies like determining whether some separatists succeed or not in order to achieve some short term goal (damn the blowback), is probably futile....
they have the conch TV and so they choose the words and their meanings.  perhaps humpty dumpty will fall someday and the words will mean precisely what we want them to mean, but until then....

I disagree.  I think the distinction can still be made, no matter how loudly the rabble are yelling that are trying to change the definitions to suit their purposes.

[Freeky]

It is a favored bailiwick of the Right to ridicule education in general, specifically pulic schooling and higher education (unless it's parochial).  Which is why home-schooling and charter schools are deemed the "saviors" of the "broken system"...forgetting of course that there's a federal mandate to educate the WHOLE populace.  It's a convenient "moral" argument they like to trot out way to often for my tastes.  Smacks of the same elitism (how many Republican and right-wingist families send their kids to private school again?) that they accuse the Left of.

Well... What's wrong if you want to homeschool?

[Jenne]

It is a favored bailiwick of the Right to ridicule education in general, specifically pulic schooling and higher education (unless it's parochial).  Which is why home-schooling and charter schools are deemed the "saviors" of the "broken system"...forgetting of course that there's a federal mandate to educate the WHOLE populace.  It's a convenient "moral" argument they like to trot out way to often for my tastes.  Smacks of the same elitism (how many Republican and right-wingist families send their kids to private school again?) that they accuse the Left of.

Well... What's wrong if you want to homeschool?

Nothing.  Unless you get your kids some other kind of socialization.  The problem with Home School children is that they are isolated from the community they live in.  Then they are usually thrown, willy-nilly, into high school, the most inbred of social hierarchies there is.  Not a lot of skill-building for socialization can be had in high school, it's literally sink-or-swim.  And h.s. is your last step until you're a functioning adult.  By our society's standards, anyway.

Also, Home Schooling as a movement has been politicized much like the militias now.  So, it's a sort of "hermitizing" mentality, that society corrupts the child's mind.  So the parents protect it, through God and home.  Personally, scares the shit outta me.  Creates an us-vs-them mindset that is later tough to break through.

[LMNO]

It is a favored bailiwick of the Right to ridicule education in general, specifically pulic schooling and higher education (unless it's parochial).  Which is why home-schooling and charter schools are deemed the "saviors" of the "broken system"...forgetting of course that there's a federal mandate to educate the WHOLE populace.  It's a convenient "moral" argument they like to trot out way to often for my tastes.  Smacks of the same elitism (how many Republican and right-wingist families send their kids to private school again?) that they accuse the Left of.

Well... What's wrong if you want to homeschool?

That depends if on the type of learning plan you choose.

You can have the "Only a Little Jesus" plan, the "Whole Lotta Jesus" plan, or the "MEGA FUCKTONS OF JESUS" plan.


When you teach to the test in homeschooling, you can fill in the gaps with scads of horrible shit.

[Jenne]

BTW, I don't mean that kids that need extra help that their public schools can't provide and their parents can't afford are losing out either.  Again, it's all in the socialization.  If you home school your kids so they get the benefit of one-on-one instruction, well, that's another thing altogether.