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I am a racist (and so are you).

Started by Kai, April 04, 2010, 10:44:20 PM

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Kai

Quote from: Iptuous on April 09, 2010, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: NotPubli on April 09, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Actually, here is one thing I noticed in me -

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of myself dating an Asian.

That is pretty racist. I know that everyone is pretty much the same (we're all freaking humans), but regardless I still don't feel comfortable.

that's come up before here.  i don't remember what everyone's stance on that one is, but it was a contentious argument, i believe. 
I don't see why that would make you racist (depending on the usage of that term, i guess).
i would presume you are also an ageist is this respect?

It wasn't so much that the person wouldn't date blacks, but that she believed all blacks to be rapists. This is not at that level.
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Elder Iptuous

Quote from: Kai on April 09, 2010, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on April 09, 2010, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: NotPubli on April 09, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Actually, here is one thing I noticed in me -

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of myself dating an Asian.

That is pretty racist. I know that everyone is pretty much the same (we're all freaking humans), but regardless I still don't feel comfortable.

that's come up before here.  i don't remember what everyone's stance on that one is, but it was a contentious argument, i believe. 
I don't see why that would make you racist (depending on the usage of that term, i guess).
i would presume you are also an ageist is this respect?

It wasn't so much that the person wouldn't date blacks, but that she believed all blacks to be rapists. This is not at that level.

oh, no wait.
i thought i was thinking of a different time.
i remember it now. i just repressed that....

wasn't it still a contentious notion before she chimed in, though?
i thought it started with the general idea, as presented here, and some viewed not wanting to date people because of skin color as racist while others viewed it as no more intrinsically wrong than not wanting to date somebody because of any other superficial aesthetic quality...

Cain

I think the dating thing is only considered racist if you literally have a "no dates" policy on an entire race of people.  So for instance, I generally haven't dated South Asian women, since I haven't really met any I've found attractive, so far.  However in the unlikely even that I were to hit it off with Iman Ali, I wouldn't even have to think about it.  I'd be in there so fast it'd violate several laws of physics.

On the other hand, Aini's proclaiment that "I wont sleep with anyone less than 15/16th's white"....well, kinda hard to argue that is anything but racist.

LMNO

I remember now.  It was an argument about whether the genitals were color-blind, essentially.

I think someone said that there was a line somewhere between "I would never fuck my own gender" and "I would never fuck a black chick" that crosses into bigotry, but the entire topic was so fraught with emotional landmines that no one could agree with anything, and we all got mad at each other.



Elder Iptuous

agreed.
i think the implication is that a 'no dates with X' rule is the unstated '...because i hate them dirty X'.
it seems to me that someone who has thus far found themselves attracted only to, for example, jet black skin isn't necessarily racist.  they just have an aesthetic preference.
i guess they could have a policy like the Model-T;  'I'll date anyone of any race, as long as they're black', or whatnot....

LMNO

If anyone's taking notes on how to troll, this is a perfect example of "Escalation throught the Introduction of Sexuality".

If a topic isn't contentious enough, add sex to the mix!

Cain

An aesthetic preference is exactly how I would've put it, I just couldn't figure out a way to work it into the sentence.  Preferences vs the absolute rule is almost certainly how I would frame it and think about it.

Cain

Quote from: LMNO on April 09, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
If anyone's taking notes on how to troll, this is a perfect example of "Escalation throught the Introduction of Sexuality".

If a topic isn't contentious enough, add sex to the mix!

Have I mentioned my sexual preference for aborted Republican fetuses?  But only those that support the second ammendment and war in Iraq.

LMNO

Quote from: Cain on April 09, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 09, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
If anyone's taking notes on how to troll, this is a perfect example of "Escalation throught the Introduction of Sexuality".

If a topic isn't contentious enough, add sex to the mix!

Have I mentioned my sexual preference for aborted Republican fetuses?  But only those that support the second ammendment and war in Iraq.

:potd:

Elder Iptuous

Quote from: Cain on April 09, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 09, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
If anyone's taking notes on how to troll, this is a perfect example of "Escalation throught the Introduction of Sexuality".

If a topic isn't contentious enough, add sex to the mix!

Have I mentioned my sexual preference for aborted Republican fetuses?  But only those that support the second ammendment and war in Iraq.

I would womp that shit right now, except i'm pretty sure that would get me fired...

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Women are awesome regardless of skin color.... crazy, yes... but still awesome  :wink:
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Elder Iptuous

Quote from: Ratatosk on April 09, 2010, 03:34:43 PM
Women are awesome regardless of skin color.... crazy, yes... but still awesome  :wink:

I have found that to be the case, as well...
   \

Triple Zero

The idea in itself is IMO not racist enough to make a big deal out of, however I find the notion of someone saying "I would have never sex/date with a blonde/redhead/etc" kind of strange myself. Aesthetic preferences aside. I mean, I find redheads hugely attractive (given an attractive face/body/etc), but my girlfriend is not a redhead.

or "I would never sex/date someone without/with full lips" or "pronounced cheekbones" ... etc etc

No yeah I think that's a pretty weird thing to say. But then, I don't have any fetishes (in the strict sense of the word) either.

I mean, sure, you can have aesthetic preferences, but in the end, you usually go for "aesthetically preferable enough, and awesome character".

At least, I do.

Now that still doesn't mean I would automatically write off someone that says to not date someone of a certain race or skin colour as a badwrong kind of racist, but it would definitely cause me to poke a littlebit further along that route just to check if their exclusivity extends to somewhat more unseemingly bigoted areas of preference/non-preference.
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LMNO

Well, if we're going to go there...

If you take a human who is 5'10 (in a gender that is preferrable to you), how much does that person have to weight before you lose all potential sexual desire for them?

200lb?

400lb?

900lb?

For most people, there is a general aesthetic principle involved.  Again, it depends on where you draw the line.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Iptuous on April 09, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 09, 2010, 03:34:43 PM
Women are awesome regardless of skin color.... crazy, yes... but still awesome  :wink:

I have found that to be the case, as well...
   \


Alas, I've never had a chance with the blue or green skinned ones.


Quote from: LMNO on April 09, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
Well, if we're going to go there...

If you take a human who is 5'10 (in a gender that is preferrable to you), how much does that person have to weight before you lose all potential sexual desire for them?
For most people, there is a general aesthetic principle involved.  Again, it depends on where you draw the line.

THIS!

Sjaantze simply cannot understand why some women, even if I love their personality don't turn me on because of obesity. She thinks its closed minded and bigoted. I think its cause my system doesn't react positively to that sort of physical look.

I'm sure if I lived 500 years ago, I'd probably feel differently. Maybe people who don't like a specific race would feel differently 500 years from now. I mean, surely a lot of this stuff comes from childhood programming and social 'norms'. 
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson