Primitivism

[Freeky]

Well...

My idea of "utopia" is a city-state sized amusement park with free food and housing, manned by robots, with only a basic set of peacekeeping laws and constitutional rights.

To each his own.

Oh... I like yours better.

Mine is kind of how I picture if heaven existed: Lawful Good, totally boring.

[Jasper]

Yeaaahhhh no.

As a friend of mine once said, don't try to make me better than I am.

[Doktor Howl]

Well...

My idea of "utopia" is a city-state sized amusement park with free food and housing, manned by robots, with only a basic set of peacekeeping laws and constitutional rights.

To each his own.

Mine is present-day America. 

Of course, I AM a misanthrope.

[Jasper]

Either you're a doomsday misanthrope, or an amusement park utopian.  Anything in between is a failed ideology.

[Doktor Howl]

Either you're a doomsday misanthrope, or an amusement park utopian.  Anything in between is a failed ideology.

THIS.

[Jasper]

Interesting.  I seem to have stumbled onto something. 

So, looking at Unvarnished Truth #3, there seem to be two ways you can go.  One way is the one that Doktor Howl expounds in UT#2, where the solution lies in shifting focus from "better society" in legal terms, to "better society" in subversive terms.  My side, which seems to reach in a different direction, focuses on "better society" by obviating currency economies with as yet non-existing technology.

[Doktor Howl]

Interesting.  I seem to have stumbled onto something. 

So, looking at Unvarnished Truth #3, there seem to be two ways you can go.  One way is the one that Doktor Howl expounds in UT#2, where the solution lies in shifting focus from "better society" in legal terms, to "better society" in subversive terms.  My side, which seems to reach in a different direction, focuses on "better society" by obviating currency economies with as yet non-existing technology.

I did what?  I was discussing ways to have fun by punishing the public.

But your way works, too.

[Jasper]

I was trying to reframe that perspective so that it would fit what I was trying to get at.  There's no utopia, because of UT3's points, but there are many conceivable ways to cheat human nature's priggish anti-utopian tendencies.  Some of them are rosier, some of them are more fun in the now.

I wonder.  Suppose one of my theme park utopias sprung up somewhere, and people started moving in.  How would traditional governments react to that?

[Doktor Howl]

I was trying to reframe that perspective so that it would fit what I was trying to get at.  There's no utopia, because of UT3's points, but there are many conceivable ways to cheat human nature's priggish anti-utopian tendencies.  Some of them are rosier, some of them are more fun in the now.

I wonder.  Suppose one of my theme park utopias sprung up somewhere, and people started moving in.  How would traditional governments react to that?

They would kill you all.

[Jasper]

Yeah, I think so too.

I guess this means the robot revolution will just have to be a bit messy.  Oh well.